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Old 06-26-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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As Canada is officially bilingual French or English is supposed to be available in federal government offices throughout the country, however the quality of such service might be questionable for example getting served in perfect French in BC or perfect English in Quebec.
Many federal jobs, IE Revenue Canada, give the applicants with a working knowledge of french the advantage. You can find easily, at least in Vancouver, french speaking services, in person.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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As for non-federal government agencies offering services in french, The B.C. gov't does, at least for the MSP and I'm sure others as well.

Ressources pour les francophones | Provincial Health Services Authority

The city of Vancouver offers service in an amazing 175 languages. I'm sure it's similar in Toronto...and Montreal ?

Contact the City of Vancouver | City of Vancouver
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Answer this question, don't dance around it: Why don't you believe that English should be treated equally to French in Quebec?
the point is not all about protecting language, it is about protecting culture.
you think if Montreal became 100% English it would have the rich culture it has today?
Probablyfood and beer would get worse and the big English chains would move in more than they already havelll

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Old 06-26-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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the point is not all about protecting language, it is about protecting culture.
you think if Montreal became 100% English it would have the rich culture it has today?
Probaly food and beer would get worse and the big English chains would move in more than they already havelll
I do enjoy some Quebec cheeses and beers, but I'm curious as to why you think overall that the food would get worse?

By English chains, do you mean American?
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I do enjoy some Quebec cheeses and beers, but I'm curious as to why you think overall that the food would get worse?

By English chains, do you mean American?
technically, yes. American but to some on here it's all the same thing
it's not just food and beer, the culture in general would be diluted.

what would happen in Europe if Italy, France, Spain had unintentionally been forced to speak English?!

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Old 06-26-2013, 02:42 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Like I said, there is no threat of anglicisation so "100% English" is an impossible outcome that will never happen and therefore irrelevant in the context of creating laws. Montreal has had an English minority (at times, in the past, majority) population for over 250 years. If you live in Montreal and don't know that, you must be living under a rock. Do you think it's fair that we get treated like "guests" in Quebec the way an Italian speaker would get treated in France? English is part of Montreal's identity. Trying to erase that will drastically alter the city's culture more than going back to the language system we had for hundreds of years up to the mid 1970s will.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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If you live in Montreal and don't know that, you must be living under a rock. Do you think it's fair that we get treated like "guests" in Quebec the way an Italian speaker would get treated in France? .
They are not treated like guests. They have tons of institutions and services that are paid for with public money here.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Trying to erase that will drastically alter the city's culture more than going back to the language system we had for hundreds of years up to the mid 1970s will.
The language system that was in place for hundreds of years allowed the smaller of the two main groups here to dominate the larger one. This is why it had to change. Any why it won't be coming back.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:27 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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There has never been systematic discrimination against French in Quebec. What we have is systematic discrimination against English. Yap all you like about "McGill!" "Jewish General Hospital!" "Dawson College!", it doesn't excuse the government treating an important language in the province as inferior to an other.


Putting two languages on equal playing field is not "domination"!
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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There has never been systematic discrimination against French in Quebec. What we have is systematic discrimination against English.
That is horse hockey and you know it! My family (aside from me, born in British Columbia) was 4 generation of Irish anglophones from Montreal and you know darn well that in the past the anglophones held more prestigious positions within business in Montreal!

You want to fight for anglophone rights in Quebec (from your computer in Ontario) then go ahead but don't pretend like there was never systematic discrimination against the French in Quebec, good grief!
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