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Old 06-27-2013, 09:14 AM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Notice I said "systematic" discrimination. The government has never discriminated against francophones the way it is discriminating against anglophones right now. The systems in place right now are there to ensure the slow, but sure demise of the English community in Quebec. Lie, lie, lie all you want, it doesn't change the cold, hard facts.

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Old 06-27-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Notice I said "systematic" discrimination. The government has never discriminated against francophones the way it is discriminating against anglophones right now. The systems in place right now are there to ensure the slow, but sure demise of the English community in Quebec. Lie, lie, lie all you want, it doesn't change the cold, hard facts.
The provincial government was not the only place where "power" was located in pre-Quite Revolution Quebec, and even though it was politically/democratically controlled by francophones, it could also be complicit in allowing the WASP establishment's dominance to continue after being favoured and "seeded" for more than a century by the British colonial authorities to control and keep the wealth in the province to itself.

There was economic power, and of course federal power - neither of which were favourable to francophones fairly late in the 20th century.
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:00 AM
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Because Wilfrid Laurier and Louis Saint-Laurent were not "powerful" enough in the federal government?
What is this "dominance", you speak of? Owning successful businesses? Being allowed to put English larger than French on their signs? Being a majority of the population at one point? Allowing French Canadians to continue their language and religion even after they lost the war?
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:00 AM
 
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:35 AM
 
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Good example of the attitude of some in Quebec, over zealous xenophobes, Makes you wonder just how many of these anti Anglo events take place on a daily basis and dont get reported or how many say nothing about their getting fired for not complying with their bosses French only agenda,
Stories like this are so frequent the media dont usually report most of them
Rude Montreal transit employee suspended - again - Canada - Canoe.ca

ransit user settles with STM over language spat | CTV Montreal News

While those visiting Quebec may not notice the linguistic genocide being perpetrated on the English language/culture here in Quebec those that have to live with it on a daily basis think alot like this woman.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jenn-ge...b_2481634.html

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Old 07-16-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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In Ontario, French is mandatory from grade 4 to grade 9. However, students may choose native language in lieu of French in some schools and many students are exempted from French altogether.

The problem with French immersion here is that many of the students enrolled in these programmes are of French extraction, which means that rather than being a place where anglophones learn French the classroom becomes a place where children with French names become anglophones with a passive knowledge of French. To often, French immersion is compromise for exogamous couples, where the English-speaking parent is uncomfortable with the notion of sending a child to regular French school. Things might be different if French immersion programmes were run by French school boards that have an interest in promoting cultural identity as well as language, instead of by English school boards.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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Considering that Quebec as three English-language universities and a myriad of other institutions the intolerance of a few zealots can scarcely be described as genocide. Ontario has the largest French speaking population in Canada outside Quebec and still does not have a French university. Anglos in Quebec have my full support, but at the end of the day, Montreal is still the most bilingual city in Canada. Francophones would be hard pressed to find the same level of service available to them in Toronto as anglophones do in Montreal.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:12 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Considering that Quebec as three English-language universities and a myriad of other institutions the intolerance of a few zealots can scarcely be described as genocide. Ontario has the largest French speaking population in Canada outside Quebec and still does not have a French university. Anglos in Quebec have my full support, but at the end of the day, Montreal is still the most bilingual city in Canada. Francophones would be hard pressed to find the same level of service available to them in Toronto as anglophones do in Montreal.
Well, Toronto isn't a bilingual city like Montreal, is it? Wouldn't Ottawa be a more fair comparison? The University of Ottawa and Laurentian University are bilingual, and Université de Hearst is French. Students at McGill, Bishop's or Concordia can submit assignments in French. All of the "English" hospitals in Quebec are bilingual.
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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In Ontario, French is mandatory from grade 4 to grade 9. However, students may choose native language in lieu of French in some schools and many students are exempted from French altogether.

The problem with French immersion here is that many of the students enrolled in these programmes are of French extraction, which means that rather than being a place where anglophones learn French the classroom becomes a place where children with French names become anglophones with a passive knowledge of French.
If French is mandatory from grade 4-9 i'd say thats a good compromise to placate the bilingual face of the nation particularly when for most of these students that few hours of French in the classroom is the only French they'll ever hear in their lives.
French immersion? even better those Francophones outside Quebec can send their kids to total French immersion scholastic institutions< Although you've lost me on your claim that some one who attends a total French immersion program is doing so to learn English.
As for Quebec having 3 universities? where numbers warrant those institutions will be built, if the Francophone demographic feels it needs French universities outside of Quebec then by all means Build em.

PS one more item, those Francophones that for whatever reason live outside Quebec may not find the abundance of Francophone culture that they would find in Quebec however they also aren't subjected to the English equivalent of bill101,bill14,language police and the plethora of other bizarre language legislation that Anglos and their culture are subjected to in Quebec.

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