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Old 06-22-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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What about the argument that if Quebec hadn't been part of Canada and an independent country from the start, that the French Language would of either disappeared or become something akin to Cajun ?
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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What about the argument that if Quebec hadn't been part of Canada and an independent country from the start, that the French Language would of either disappeared or become something akin to Cajun ?
Quebec is not an independent country yet, be patient it'll happen.. Its language and culture have been solidly entrenched in Quebec for a long time and that language and culture was never in need of a Bill101 and language police to save it as it was strong enough to never need saving in the first place , in fact IMO bill 101 has done more to scare away business, potential businesses,head offices, Anglos and allophones their kids and their money than it has to embellish any of the strengths of the French culture.
At the moment Quebec is like a legislated culture that doesnt have the faith or conviction of its own strengths to fly alone.
The logic being if you get rid of all other cultures some how Quebec will evidently be safe from the marauding Anglo oppressors just waiting to turn every Francophone into an Anglophone.
In Reality the ROC gave up caring about Quebec long ago,their attitude is do what you want ,separate,legislate more draconian language legislation against your minorities, we dont care.

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Old 06-22-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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Quebec is not an independent country yet, be patient it'll happen.. Its language and culture have been solidly entrenched in Quebec for a long time and that language and culture was never in need of a Bill101 and language police to save it as it was strong enough to never need saving in the first place , in fact IMO bill 101 has done more to scare away business, potential businesses,head offices, Anglos and allophones their kids and their money than it has to embellish any of the strengths of the French culture.
At the moment Quebec is like a legislated culture that doesnt have the faith or conviction of its own strengths to fly alone.
The logic being if you get rid of all other cultures some how Quebec will evidently be safe from the marauding Anglo oppressors just waiting to turn every Francophone into an Anglophone.
In Reality the ROC gave up caring about Quebec long ago,their attitude is do what you want ,separate,legislate more draconian language legislation against your minorities, we dont care.
You missed my point. Regardless, whether you think the ROC Canada cares about Quebec or not ( and I do believe they do, more than a lot of Quebeckers would think ) the fact that Quebec was part of Canada may have played a part in it being able to keep it's language and culture.
The reason Quebec is french speaking today is most likely because of the Quebec Act of 1774, not because of some divine strength.
It's impossible of course to rewrite history, but I am not so sure that without the relationship of being in Canada ( acknowledging the good and the bad of that relationship ) that a Quebec going at it alone and assuming France at it's side, that somehow the culture would not have been as strong as it is today.
If they had joined the U.S. I doubt the U.S. would have given Quebec the powers it enjoys today, let alone having two official languages.
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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What about the argument that if Quebec hadn't been part of Canada and an independent country from the start, that the French Language would of either disappeared or become something akin to Cajun ?
Quebec would not have been an independent country from 1753, there is no way it would have been able to survive as an independent state, this was the age of empire's and someone else would have annexed it, even strong, populous, and far off nation's like the Mexico and the Kingdom of Madagascar couldn't withstand European interference, and even the US barely managed to fend off the British Empire in it's early days. Quebec would almost certainly be part of the USA right now if it hadn't been occupied by the British Empire, and this is part of the reason Britain was so popular in Quebec until the late 19th century because people saw it as protecting Quebec and giving it a really good deal (although there were of course disputes, such as the sticking points of responsible government in the 1830's and the draft in WW1. The Louis Riel debacle was the seeds of the current situation and a PR nightmare).
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:46 AM
 
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the fact that Quebec was part of Canada may have played a part in it being able to keep it's language and culture.
If thats the case Quebec has certainly forgotten that supposed fact as todays Quebec has thrown Canada well under the proverbial bus and Quebecers shudder at the thought of being Canadian/s or being a part of Canada..
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