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Old 07-19-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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Why do you Canadians pay so much attention to us Americans, I thought one poster said Canadians could care less about us?
I could ask why Americans seem to find so much fascination in hanging out on our lowly Monarchy plagued boring old socialist Canadian forum?
Thought you might be more at home on that magnificent representation of American culture,integrity and virtue the Politics and controversy section of the forum.


With Canada's proximity to the USA the USA gets to be on all our tv's in all our news media all our newspapers 24/7,big stories in the USA are big stories here in Canada and we get to have opinions on those stories, while most of us really couldnt care less about Americans in general it certainly doesnt mean we dont hear all your news as you seem to enjoy broadcasting your dirty laundry all around the world.
as an example For weeks now we've been subjected to this Zimmerman case, before that the Boston bombings, but a train gets loose in Quebec wipes out the best part of a town along with 50-60 people and not a mention of it on the American news.

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Old 07-19-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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Why do you Canadians pay so much attention to us Americans, I thought one poster said Canadians could care less about us?
Well its Americans that keep posting that they want us to change our ways to the American system.
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Old 07-19-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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Why do you Canadians pay so much attention to us Americans, I thought one poster said Canadians could care less about us?
Why are you paying attention to what's being discussed on the Canada forum?

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Old 07-19-2013, 09:51 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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It's a textbook case of injustice. It should concern anyone who is against racial profiling.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:18 PM
 
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Yes, it's such injustice that a person defended himself with lethal force when he was jumped and was being continually beaten suffering a broken nose and lacerations to the head. Zimmerman should have just taken the beating, even if it would ultimately result in his death. What a racist guy.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:47 AM
 
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Yes, it's such injustice that a person defended himself with lethal force when he was jumped and was being continually beaten suffering a broken nose and lacerations to the head. Zimmerman should have just taken the beating, even if it would ultimately result in his death. What a racist guy.
More like wannabe cop who had taken martial arts training in anticipation of being one of Sanfords finest goes out at night with the courage a gun brings and purposely stalks an innocent young boy ,young boy stands his ground and fights back fearing for his life. Weirdo Zimmerman then turns into the total coward and instead of using his martial arts training and whatever else he would have brought to the fight had he actually been a cop he just shoots the kid who had every right to stand his own ground.Good for you Treyvon for getting some good punches in before this worthless POS Zimmerman used the cowards way out of his self brought upon delema.
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Old 07-20-2013, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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I could ask why Americans seem to find so much fascination in hanging out on our lowly Monarchy plagued boring old socialist Canadian forum?
Thought you might be more at home on that magnificent representation of American culture,integrity and virtue the Politics and controversy section of the forum.


With Canada's proximity to the USA the USA gets to be on all our tv's in all our news media all our newspapers 24/7,big stories in the USA are big stories here in Canada and we get to have opinions on those stories, while most of us really couldnt care less about Americans in general it certainly doesnt mean we dont hear all your news as you seem to enjoy broadcasting your dirty laundry all around the world.
as an example For weeks now we've been subjected to this Zimmerman case, before that the Boston bombings, but a train gets loose in Quebec wipes out the best part of a town along with 50-60 people and not a mention of it on the American news.
ummm...im talking about stuff everyone knows about like the media and such not a website full of bored people that come on here saying bias stuff.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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jambo, you're way off base, and the jury has already spoken. The kid attacked Zimmerman. He wasn't an innocent young kid. He was a 17 year old monster.
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Yes, it's such injustice that a person defended himself with lethal force when he was jumped and was being continually beaten suffering a broken nose and lacerations to the head. Zimmerman should have just taken the beating, even if it would ultimately result in his death. What a racist guy.
One of the very first thing one learns in MMA / Jiu Jitsu, is how to deal with an attacker straddling you while you are on your back. It would have been very easy for Zimmerman, even with minimal MMA training, to quickly switch places with a young, slightly built teen who had no martial arts training whatsoever. This manoeuvre is something I learned before I even got my yellow belt in JJJ, and is very easy to execute. But I suppose it is much easier to just reach for your gun and blast the guy who is on top of you. It's obvious that Zimmerman was prepping himself for confrontation - the martial arts training, the carry permit, the overzealous neighbourhood watch patrols, right up to following and ultimately stalking a teenager minding his own business because Zimmerman did not recognize him from the neighbourhood, and probably profiled him for being black since there had been a number of recent burglaries in the neighbourhood by black youth from the adjacent community. Zimmerman is an example of everything that is wrong with Stand Your Ground, and a society that has accepted gun violence and gun culture to such an extent. The fact that what he did was legal under Florida law is shocking.

On the other hand, I believe Canada's self-defence laws are inadequate, and do not allow individuals to defend themselves and their families without fear of prosecution. In Canada, the choice is essentially one of the two: either be tried by twelve or carried by six. Because if someone attacks you in public or in your home and you end up killing them, you will be charged. I'm sorry, but if a stranger comes into my home without permission, I am going to assume his intentions towards me are not peaceful. Likewise if I get jumped by someone out in the street. If, in the course of defending myself, my attacker is badly injured or killed, am I supposed to feel sorry, as I get led away in handcuffs and he is carted off to the hospital/morgue. Suddenly I am the criminal for defending myself? That's BS. Canadian law needs to do more to protect the freedom of those who injure or kill someone who is an imminent threat to their safety. How can a person decide what the justifiable amount of force is when they are in a life-threatening situation, and simply trying to defend themselves? If a criminal enters a household unlawfully and is killed by the homeowner, unless the wounds he suffers indicates he was fleeing, the homeowner should never be charged with defending himself and his family against an intruder. Likewise, if a person minding their own business is attacked in the street.
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Old 07-20-2013, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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jambo, you're way off base, and the jury has already spoken. The kid attacked Zimmerman. He wasn't an innocent young kid. He was a 17 year old monster.
I don't think any evidence produced by the prosecutor suggested he was a "monster". He was a scared kid reacting instinctively to someone he perceived to be a threat. Put yourself in his shoes and you can probably imagine yourself reacting the same way. Also, George Zimmerman's head wounds were described as superficial scratches - not the kind of injury you would receive if someone were bashing your head against the concrete. On the other hand, a nose can be easily broken with one punch.

So imagine, if you will: It's dark, you are alone, 17-years-old, and you see some guy who is older and bigger than you following you in a vehicle. What is going through your mind? Then the man exits his car and comes to confront you on foot. He does not announce himself as neighbourhood watch. You have no idea who he is. You tell your friend over the phone that some "crazy-ass cracker" is following you. You hide in the bushes (purportedly) to evade him, but he is almost on top of you, so you are forced to jump out and defend yourself. In this situation, the only monster is Zimmerman. And Trayvon no doubt felt that he was in a life or death situation (and it turns out he was).

Calling Trayvon a monster is not just hyperbole; it is a direct contradiction of the facts of the case.
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