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Old 07-20-2013, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Lethbridge, AB
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Why is it so difficult for you gun people to answer one simple question, rather then answering it with another question? Why if guns keep us so safe, is the rate of violent crime 2 x more in the US, then in Canada? You can't answer that, because you know it is not true. Guns do not keep people safe. They just result in more deaths. Thats a fact backed up by statistics.


I can answer that - and it has nothing to do with guns.

Your correlation between violent crime and gun ownership falls apart as soon as one begins to look at the statistics a little bit closer.

For example: Wyoming ranks first in the US in terms of gun ownership, with some 59.1% of the population being gun owners, while Illinois rates among the lowest in the US, with only 20.2% being gun owners. Yet the homicide rate in Illinois is nearly double that of Wyoming.

On an international level, Finland and Serbia rank 4th and 5th, respectively, in terms of gun ownership rates. Yet, their homicide rates are 2.2 and 1.2/100,000, respectively - Serbia, with a gun ownership rate 10% higher than Canada's, has a homicide rate 0.4/100,000 lower.

(sources: gun ownership by state, gun ownership by country, homicide rate by country, homicide rate by state)

That just scratches the surface, of course. There are literally hundreds of examples that clearly contradict your assertion that gun ownership and violence are somehow correlated.

Your "fact backed up by statistics" is nothing of the sort.

When comparing areas with high rates of violence (which, as we've now established may or may not have a large number of guns) what stands out is the amount of social cohesion and socioeconomic problems an area faces.

To use the examples from above:

Finland has very little in the way of minority populations, nor does it have a populations that are chronically disadvantaged. Nor, for that matter does Serbia. Even using the examples of Wyoming and Illinois from above, that trend emerges. Inner city Chicago has serious drug, gang, poverty and social problems that no city in Wyoming even approaches.

When comparing violent crime in the various regions of Canada the same trends emerge. The prairies and far north are by far the most violent areas of the country (gun ownership rates are very high in the territories, though Manitoba, the most violent province ranks only 6th in terms of ownership). That shouldn't be surprising, of course, given the social problems faced on reserves (which occur with greater frequency in the north and west).

Of course, it should be pointed out that it's certainly possible to have huge diversity in an area (in terms of background, economic status etc.) and maintain a level of social cohesion. Much of Canada and large areas of the US do this quite well. There's a reason that stories like this come out of Florida and not, say, Vermont, despite it's extremely liberal gun laws.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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I could ask why Americans seem to find so much fascination in hanging out on our lowly Monarchy plagued boring old socialist Canadian forum?
Thought you might be more at home on that magnificent representation of American culture,integrity and virtue the Politics and controversy section of the forum.


With Canada's proximity to the USA the USA gets to be on all our tv's in all our news media all our newspapers 24/7,big stories in the USA are big stories here in Canada and we get to have opinions on those stories, while most of us really couldnt care less about Americans in general it certainly doesnt mean we dont hear all your news as you seem to enjoy broadcasting your dirty laundry all around the world.
as an example For weeks now we've been subjected to this Zimmerman case, before that the Boston bombings, but a train gets loose in Quebec wipes out the best part of a town along with 50-60 people and not a mention of it on the American news.
That's great, I can tell you the media from Canada is mentioned VERY LITTLE in American news, I didn't even know about it till you mentioned it. lol, America media has so many more important things that stuff from Canada gets mentioned very very little, not as much as American media gets mentioned in Canada. PS we give you guys tons of movies, look at the top 10 movies right now in Canada there ALL American, look at the top music most of them are American besides JUSTIN BIEBER, yeah it seems to me you guys like our dirty laundry. Also I wouldn't be talking because the BIGGEST dirty laundry in the world right now is Justin bieber everywhere he goes he gets booed. Canada population is about the size of a couple states in America.
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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We get lots of news and tv shows from the states some are even good but one thing we thankfully dont get up here in Canada at least not in my area are the rwnj shows like Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh and that whole FOX thing with their We report you decide motto,
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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That's great, I can tell you the media from Canada is mentioned VERY LITTLE in American news, I didn't even know about it till you mentioned it. lol, America media has so many more important things that stuff from Canada gets mentioned very very little, not as much as American media gets mentioned in Canada. PS we give you guys tons of movies, look at the top 10 movies right now in Canada there ALL American, look at the top music most of them are American besides JUSTIN BIEBER, yeah it seems to me you guys like our dirty laundry. Also I wouldn't be talking because the BIGGEST dirty laundry in the world right now is Justin bieber everywhere he goes he gets booed. Canada population is about the size of a couple states in America.
If the biggest and most scandalous issue that is covered about Canada in the International media is Justin Beiber's antics abroad then I think were doing pretty good at not airing our own dirty laundry.

I mean good thing no one has heard of Toronto's Mayor Rob Ford yet cause that makes us look bad aboard and makes Beiber look pretty good in comparison.
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Old 07-21-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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If Beibers antics are Canadas biggest problem we aint got much in the way of ongoing problems,, of course there is that nasty monarchy issue eh!
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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If the biggest and most scandalous issue that is covered about Canada in the International media is Justin Beiber's antics abroad then I think were doing pretty good at not airing our own dirty laundry.

I mean good thing no one has heard of Toronto's Mayor Rob Ford yet cause that makes us look bad aboard and makes Beiber look pretty good in comparison.
I think your a little confused Justin bieber IS the dirty laundry. At least American artist don't get booed everywhere they go, Justin bieber gets booed at basketball games, at music awards and even at his own concerts, everyone hates him.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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If Beibers antics are Canadas biggest problem we aint got much in the way of ongoing problems,, of course there is that nasty monarchy issue eh!
You said dirty laundry which I assumed celebrities and artist and such, be more specific next time also why don't you review my whole post?
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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We get lots of news and tv shows from the states some are even good but one thing we thankfully dont get up here in Canada at least not in my area are the rwnj shows like Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh and that whole FOX thing with their We report you decide motto,
So you admitted to it. Why don't you review my whole post?
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Also I wouldn't be talking because the BIGGEST dirty laundry in the world right now is Justin bieber everywhere he goes he gets booed. Canada population is about the size of a couple states in America.

In the world? THE-WORLD?????? Beiber? I would have thought it was that whole...your own governement is spying on the US population thing.


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At least American artist don't get booed everywhere they go, Justin bieber gets booed at basketball games, at music awards and even at his own concerts, everyone hates him.


True, just your President. At basketball games, in Israel, and even at his own fundraiser. Everyone hates him.


I don't know why you think we give a **** about Beiber anyway. We shipped him down there for a reason, and you guys gobbled him up.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I think your a little confused Justin bieber IS the dirty laundry. At least American artist don't get booed everywhere they go, Justin bieber gets booed at basketball games, at music awards and even at his own concerts, everyone hates him.
what on earth does this have to do with Trayvon Martinand George Zimmerman and our Canadian POV and opinion on the outcome of the trial?

What on earth does Justin Bieber have to do with anything in this thread?... Heck we could careless about him and what he does... Infact it seems just you (not the rest of Americans that contributed to this thread) care more about what Justin Beiber says and does then we do up here.
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