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Old 07-14-2013, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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My perspective is: I know nothing about the actual case, so yeah, he could very well be innocent under the local law. Buuuuut, I don't (quelle surprise!) think anyone would've died without the presence of a gun. The USA has an insanely selfish gun culture that needs reworking.

Cry all you want. I, and most of the rest of the developed world will always stand in bewilderment as to why you think you need a gun to feel safe in a highly developed country.
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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My perspective is that Florida is an embarrassment to an otherwise civilized and advanced country. The verdict didn't suprise me, but it disappointed me. But it's Florida, were they operate in an entirely different reality.

This kid did nothing wrong and stood up for himself when "profiled" by an over-eager, wanna-be cowboy. Of course he was pissed, and of course most white people don't know how that feels and thus can't identify with his frustration. But Zimmerman didn't testify (smart move by his lawyers; he had been caught in contraditions and lies with his story before) so we are stuck with this outcome.

My gut tells me this shooting was entirely fear-based. The kid probably did have the upper hand as the physical confrontation escalated and Zimmerman probably did believe he was going to be killed, like he assumed the kid was only in the neighborhood to commit a crime. He didnt see a kid, he saw a symbol of everything he feared and despised.

I think Zimmerman is either mentally ill or has serious psychological issues. There is something "off" about him.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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We have no proof that the young boy would have continued to beat up Zimmerman until he was dead just because he saw this guy following him or just going in the same direction.
Also it was stated in the trial that Zimmerman had extensive martial arts training, obviously MRZ chose to shoot the kid instead of fighting back..
Obviously we can speculate forever but it seems odd to me that a street wise Florida kid like Treyvon wouldnt have thought the potential for this guy to have a gun was a real possibility and just maybe Treyvon saw this guy with a gun coming after him and it was in fact Treyvon fighting for his life after getting the impression Zimmerman was going to shoot him...

Why don't you keep your nose out of our affairs. If this was a Canadian issue and Americans created a thread about it, you hypocrites in Canada would be screaming.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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My perspective is that Florida is an embarrassment to an otherwise civilized and advanced country. The verdict didn't suprise me, but it disappointed me. But it's Florida, were they operate in an entirely different reality.

This kid did nothing wrong and stood up for himself when "profiled" by an over-eager, wanna-be cowboy. Of course he was pissed, and of course most white people don't know how that feels and thus can't identify with his frustration. But Zimmerman didn't testify (smart move by his lawyers; he had been caught in contraditions and lies with his story before) so we are stuck with this outcome.

My gut tells me this shooting was entirely fear-based. The kid probably did have the upper hand as the physical confrontation escalated and Zimmerman probably did believe he was going to be killed, like he assumed the kid was only in the neighborhood to commit a crime. He didnt see a kid, he saw a symbol of everything he feared and despised.

I think Zimmerman is either mentally ill or has serious psychological issues. There is something "off" about him.

Doesn't seem to stop all the Canadians fleeing your frozen wasteland in the winter to spend time in the sun in Florida does it.
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:09 AM
 
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Why don't you keep your nose out of our affairs. If this was a Canadian issue and Americans created a thread about it, you hypocrites in Canada would be screaming.
Odd how you cant grasp the simple concept of the "Canadian perspective"
As for your comment "Why don't you keep your nose out of our affairs"?
thats rather hypocritical coming from a citizen of a country that has its nose in every ones affairs world wide,including our Canadian section of the forum in a topic meant solely for Canadians..

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Old 07-15-2013, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Why don't you keep your nose out of our affairs....
Be glad to. Perhaps you might inform the American OP of the following linked thread that we in Canada are pretty happy with the way things are, and we don't need an American to tell us what we ought to do. Y'know, keeping out of one's affairs, and all:

Why do Canadian immigrants have to swear an oath to the British Queen?

Thanks so much!
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:22 AM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Doesn't seem to stop all the Canadians fleeing your frozen wasteland in the winter to spend time in the sun in Florida does it.
Canada is far from a frozen wasteland. Some parts of the country only get the occassional freeze (Southern Vancouver Island). We have some of the most arable land in the world. You Americans have your giant desert, we have the Canadian Shield. The majority of the provinces of BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island are covered with rich soil perfect for farming, and Ontario and Quebec are two of the largest provinces in the world, with their fertile southern regions are larger than most of your states.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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Canada is far from a frozen wasteland.
Dude, seriously... Have you spent any time here outside of May through September? We get 8 months of winter in this county, and I live in the GTA!

Let's try to keep this intellectually honest, shall we?
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Dude, seriously... Have you spent any time here outside of May through September? We get 8 months of winter in this county, and I live in the GTA!

Let's try to keep this intellectually honest, shall we?
I can't agree with you about having eight months of winter in the GTA. And it has little to do with this debate anyways, so your opinions about it have nothing to do with keeping the debate intellectually honest. In fact, I'm a little confused by your post and the reasons for it - Canada's weather has nothing to do with this debate, so why would an offhand comment about it that you happen to disagree with have anything to do with the intellectual honesty of a debate about an American criminal trial?
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Seems to me if you get in a fight down there (USA)you can kill your opponent with no legal accountability.
If that's the typical Canadian's take away point from all this (and I doubt it) that doesn't say much for Canadian intelligence.
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