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Old 07-23-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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LMAO

Don't forget, this royal family has caused much more pain and suffering to the rest of the world than any country has ever done. This royal family broke up so many countries which should otherwise be united in history. This royal family robbed and pillage so much from the rest of the world which is why so many countries still remain pissing poor.

If there is one country that I utterly despise in this world, it is the United Kingdom.
When AMERICA broke away from Britain it was not about abuse or oppression or freedom..The founding fathers of America were like a junior mafia - kicking off the controls of the senior mafia that was Britain. America copied it's big older brother Britain. America did exactly what the British empire did...and are still doing it. They break up countries...the rob - the pillage - they plunder....

There are two kinds of adventuring crooks in the world.........There are pirates...and privateers. A pirate is a rouge profiteer not under state control.........The privateer is a pirate who is granted licence by the state to plunder. What brought prosperity to Britain and to America were the privateers....some call it free enterprise.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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When AMERICA broke away from Britain it was not about abuse or oppression or freedom..The founding fathers of America were like a junior mafia - kicking off the controls of the senior mafia that was Britain. America copied it's big older brother Britain. America did exactly what the British empire did...and are still doing it. They break up countries...the rob - the pillage - they plunder....

There are two kinds of adventuring crooks in the world.........There are pirates...and privateers. A pirate is a rouge profiteer not under state control.........The privateer is a pirate who is granted licence by the state to plunder. What brought prosperity to Britain and to America were the privateers....some call it free enterprise.
Lets not kid ourselves, Canada is also run by "privateers" who fly under the radar whilst monopolizing their own markets and citizens, with much less competition and hence less "new money" to provide some balance. Canada is also well integrated into US hegemony as we are structurally joined to them (economically and to a large extent socially) with no real military or foreign policy clout, they have first dibs on our resources, and our government will cooperate in terms of national security issues. In other words, they get what they want from us and really can't complain for having Canada as a neighbor. The Americans are also playing a very different game with higher stakes because they use their power to dabble (or intrude) in world affairs to maintain an order they want, and one can argue Canada indirectly benefits from this. The US is no different from previous superpowers really because instead of colonizing and exploiting peoples directly (well, at least usually) like Britain, they coerce nations to get what they want through economic and political muscle behind the scenes.

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Old 07-23-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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Lets not kid ourselves, Canada is also run by "privateers" who fly under the radar whilst monopolizing their own markets and citizens, with much less competition and hence less "new money" to provide some balance. Canada is also well integrated into US hegemony as we are structurally joined to them (economically and to a large extent socially) with no real military or foreign policy clout, they have first dibs on our resources, and our government will cooperate in terms of national security issues. In other words, they get what they want from us and really can't complain for having Canada as a neighbor. The Americans are also playing a very different game with higher stakes because they use their power to dabble (or intrude) in world affairs to maintain an order they want, and one can argue Canada indirectly benefits from this. The US is no different from previous superpowers really because instead of colonizing and exploiting peoples directly (well, at least usually) like Britain, they coerce nations to get what they want through economic and political muscle behind the scenes.
very well said.

Canada is bascially part of the US.
1) No real military, needs to protection from the US.
2) doesn't really have an independent monetary policy - basically follows US Feds in terms of interest rate etc. BoC really pretends to set its own rate?
3) economically dependent on the US, export, jobs etc (at the same time freaking out when the Chinese buys a couple of Canadian companies as if it were the end of the world, sure, we belong to the US!)
4) culturally dependent on the US. local cultural offering is pathetic and let's not use "multiculture" as if it is a Canadian thing.
5) psychologically, for many Canadians, the world seems to mean Canada + US. It is alway comparing with the US, we are blah blah as if the rest of the world doesn't exist. We hardly even consider Mexico when talking about "north America"

This is why Canadians hold to the UK roots trying to convince themselves "we are somewhat different". But really?


The UK doesn't give a rat's a$$ about Canada.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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Military
Canada does have a fair size one the issue is the jets etc are out of date.

Independent monetary policy
While the seem to follow the States in term of rates but for other policys theys et there own.

economically dependent
The States is a key factor but Canada is spreading there dependent on other areas such as China now as for jobs thats really not true as alot work in the public sector.

culturally dependent
I am not sure what you mean by local offering?

psychologically
It is more Americans that think Canada is part of the States vs Canadians thinking that way.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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very well said.

Canada is bascially part of the US.
1) No real military, needs to protection from the US.
2) doesn't really have an independent monetary policy - basically follows US Feds in terms of interest rate etc. BoC really pretends to set its own rate?
3) economically dependent on the US, export, jobs etc (at the same time freaking out when the Chinese buys a couple of Canadian companies as if it were the end of the world, sure, we belong to the US!)
4) culturally dependent on the US. local cultural offering is pathetic and let's not use "multiculture" as if it is a Canadian thing.
5) psychologically, for many Canadians, the world seems to mean Canada + US. It is alway comparing with the US, we are blah blah as if the rest of the world doesn't exist. We hardly even consider Mexico when talking about "north America"

This is why Canadians hold to the UK roots trying to convince themselves "we are somewhat different". But really?


The UK doesn't give a rat's a$$ about Canada.
Must be tough for you to continually have to lower your standards by being subjected to such a wretched existence living in Canada, i'll also assume by your demeanor you take no pride in telling people you are a Canadian, Ever think of moving to a country more in tune with your standards?.America perhaps, just think you could join the Tea Party and immediately have lots of friends...
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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psychologically
It is more Americans that think Canada is part of the States vs Canadians thinking that way.
Given what Canada has been doing FOR the US, can you blame them?
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Given what Canada has been doing FOR the US, can't you blame them?
What have they been doing that so bad?
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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, i'll also assume by your demeanor you take no pride in telling people you are a Canadian,
Canada offers a good quality of life.
But pride? No.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Canada offers a good quality of life.
But pride? No.
So your a Resentful Un-happy and ungrateful Canadian?

If that is the case then maybe you should move to some where you can be happy and proud to be from and give up your Canadian citizenship if it makes you so un-happy.

No one is forcing you to live here or be a Canadian and no will stop you if you want to leave and give up your citizenship either.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Aloverton
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Canada offers a good quality of life.
But pride? No.
I'd like to pose a question. What could Canada do, or be/come, that would inspire your pride? I can think of a number of aspects of your country that I would take pride in were I a Canadian (and may yet make that reality one day), but I know well that it's always different when you live somewhere and have a history. I've thought long and hard about what would make me prouder of the US; to me it seems an important aspect of intellectual honesty in dissent, and countries need their dissenters.

So, what would make you proud of your Canadian citizenship? Even if what would make you proud is improbable/impractical; the question contains no sarcasm.
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