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Old 07-24-2013, 02:10 PM
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Originally Posted by BIMBAM View Post
Who said anything about Ontario? It'd probably be a territory initially, or transition to the province of Canadian Michigan.
I am pretty sure Southern Ontario would want the Detroit Redwings Hockey Franchise and if Quebec city gets the Phoenix Coyotes Franchise to move there and brings back the Nordiques then everybody wins and is happy Hockey Wise
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:41 PM
Location: Somewhere out there
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Default And so it will continue to decline into oblivion...

Originally Posted by ajl22586 View Post
I wouldn't know where to begin either but one thing is for certain: if Detroit were in Canada, all the afflications that have plagued the city - deindustrialization, racial tension, the housing crisis, etc. - either never would have happened or would have been FAR less pronounced. Canada's history of paternalistic concern for the societal good would never allow a city of such magnitude to become a barren wasteland.
(NOTE: "afflications"? Wow! Now there's a new one.)

Of course this ignores the vast debt that Kanada-ville now owns, with too many baby boomers now cuing up for their guaranteed high SI incomes and union retirement income, but then Canuck citizens don't need to know that, now do they?

Better for them to revel in the endless socialistic state, only workable since the country is snuggled up tight against the US for "economic warmth" so to speak, and for Canada's continued usefulness in providing cheap natural resources and low-prices on wheat, etc.

In my ex-pat home of Vancouver (actually, for the detail-oriented, Burnaby...), the labor unions, like the IWA and the postal unions and truckers and all the others, have realized they can no longer bully obscenely high wages from employers (like the logging & other wood product related industries) and have either retired on outrageous pensions no-one can possibly afford, or they have left for other places, only to find that the once-prominent but selfish union "lifestyle" is officially, like in Britain etc, etc, gone the way of The Great Auk.

Btw, Detroit is indeed finished beyond ever being a comeback town of any stature. The UAW pretty much took care of that, while the Japanese were rapidly outclassing the ridiculously poorly built and designed US crap cars made by lazy vastly overpaid Union workers.

They're still there, causing problems with one employer I used to work for as an engineer: The Chrysler-Mitsubishi plant way down in Bloomington, IL, which started out as non-union, but had to reluctantly secede when the UAW insisted on muscling it's way in, only to then ruin labor relations forever with the Japanese side by being, well, the lazy thugs they remain to this day.

Well... good on 'em!. A quick trip down Woodward Ave westward, if one avoids The GM Ren-Center and other mockeries of US Capitalism, will quickly reveal that every 7-11 has to have 6" thick bulletproof Lexan™ windows to reduce the endless robbery @ gunpoint violence that a fiscally defunct societally bombed-out town has become.


Not to mention the fine real estate deals one can find. Want a quicky fixer-upper mansion? No problem!




(and this sure sign of desperation, though it may well appeal to some buyers...)



plus these nice educational facilities for your kids!


Yup: It's only a matter of time until it surges back into prominence, huh?

Rather: with a once-prominent population of ≈1,7M based on vast capitalist greed and mob-run unions, it's now down to (and falling hourly) 750,000 people, it's a good place to be from. Unfortunately for them, most can't afford to move out.
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BIMBAM View Post
Who said anything about Ontario? It'd probably be a territory initially, or transition to the province of Canadian Michigan.
My point is Canada is not doing all that great we really could not afford to add Michigan.
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:58 PM
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by tarp View Post
Very true. If people from Toronto could pick up and move to Los Angeles, or Miami, or Seattle, or New York... a lot of them would. The city would be but a fraction of the size it is now.
If that were true why haven't cities like Chicago, Boston, New York, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Denver, Minneapolis, and others that experience cold, snowy winters shrunk as most of their population decamped to areas further south. The fact is that most troubled US cities are floundering while their suburbs continue to expand. Detroit is a perfect example. Far from fleeing to warmer climates, residents of faltering cities just flee to the burbs.
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