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Old 09-07-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Thank you for informing me. The reason why its called African not black in America because many people believe calling someone black is racist, which I have to agree with.
But African Canadian would be very confusing, what would we call the large group of Canadians of African extraction and culture? Three broad groups of Canadians with different cultures, histories, and origins are united by only two things, looking similar and being Canadians, so it makes sense to refer to the way they look. Otherwise, Africans Canadians, Carribean Canadians (most of whom are black), and the scions of the African American culture that arose on this continent haven't much in common and shouldn't be conflated with each other as if the only thing that defines them is their looks. It's right to refer to race, because that's what people are talking about. Anyhow, a little besides the point but not all Africans look like people we'd call Black, the North African coast has lots of people most would just call Arab or Berber, and there are also long standing White, Indian, and Asian communities that I think I might be okay with calling African at this point because most consider themselves such.
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Old 09-07-2013, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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But African Canadian would be very confusing, what would we call the large group of Canadians of African extraction and culture? Three broad groups of Canadians with different cultures, histories, and origins are united by only two things, looking similar and being Canadians, so it makes sense to refer to the way they look. Otherwise, Africans Canadians, Carribean Canadians (most of whom are black), and the scions of the African American culture that arose on this continent haven't much in common and shouldn't be conflated with each other as if the only thing that defines them is their looks. It's right to refer to race, because that's what people are talking about, and not all Africans look like people we'd call Black, there are lots of Arabs, Berbers, and also White colonists like Afrikaaners.

Canadians.
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Old 09-07-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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Canadians.
Of course, but if for some reason you wanted to talk specifically about people with that cultural heritage, as in the sentence "as the number of African Canadians has grown in Vancouver, so have the number of restaurants offering a taste of Africa, from Nyala offering Ethiopian cuisine at an affordable price, to the sumptuous Swahili cuisine offered at upscale Simba's".

Personally I don't see how Black is racist, it refers to race but doesn't seem to pass a value judgement anymore than White does. It just describes a set. African American just seems like a legacy of an era when there was a very small African diaspora in America and people needed a new term because the people from the local Black culture had been made to feel so worthless that any existing term for them felt like a slur, and they needed a name that was free of that baggage. The only problem is, it kind of robs the actual Africans of the natural name that would be applied to them by convention. So it's fine that African Americans are called African Americans, but if the convention is to use African Canadian for Canadians with roots or origins in Africa, and Black Canadian for the racial notion as a whole I don't see that that really needs correcting.

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Old 09-07-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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My wife is Black and prefers that term. She thinks "African Canadian" doesn't apply to her as she was born in Canada to Canadian parents. Maybe first or second generation immigrants like to distinguish themselves somehow but I think once you have citizenship you are simply "Canadian". You can elaborate by stating an ethnic extraction, but why bother?

After all, when you go back far enough, we are ALL descended from Africans.
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Old 09-07-2013, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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^^ I was just bein' an ass, BIMBAM. I knew what you were saying. lol
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Old 09-07-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: North Jackson
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Why do we have this discussion over and over on CD?

Black people in American are "Americans." Black people in Canada are "Canadians." Just like white people in those countries. This is not an issue.

However, white people are quick to let you know about their heritage, saying they are Italian, German, Scottish, Dutch, or whatever. I think most black people would be happy to mention their country of origin, if they knew it. I'm sure they would be happy to say "I'm Senegalese," but most don't know their exact country, hence the African American term.

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Old 09-07-2013, 05:16 PM
 
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Why do we have this discussion over and over on CD?

Black people in American are "Americans." Black people in Canada are "Canadians." Just like white people in those countries. This is not an issue.

However, white people are quick to let you know about their heritage, saying they are Italian, German, Scottish, Dutch, or whatever. I think most black people would be happy to mention their country of origin, if they knew it. I'm sure they would be happy to say "I'm Senegalese," but most don't know their exact country, hence the African American term.

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Old 09-07-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Why do we have this discussion over and over on CD?

Black people in American are "Americans." Black people in Canada are "Canadians." Just like white people in those countries. This is not an issue.

However, white people are quick to let you know about their heritage, saying they are Italian, German, Scottish, Dutch, or whatever. I think most black people would be happy to mention their country of origin, if they knew it. I'm sure they would be happy to say "I'm Senegalese," but most don't know their exact country, hence the African American term.

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Old 09-07-2013, 10:39 PM
 
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However, white people are quick to let you know about their heritage, saying they are Italian, German, Scottish, Dutch, or whatever.
This is far more common in the United States, and it's ridiculous. I love it when some idiot starts droning on about how they're "half Italian and half German" or whatever. Unless your parents came from those places, then guess what? You're an American. End of story. You're not from any of those places and they don't really describe your heritage. Your heritage is American (and not Native American before someone tries to trot out that old red herring to discredit my position). You're born and raised in America, to American parents. This hyphenated American business is ridiculous.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: North Jackson
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This is far more common in the United States, and it's ridiculous. I love it when some idiot starts droning on about how they're "half Italian and half German" or whatever. Unless your parents came from those places, then guess what? You're an American. End of story. You're not from any of those places and they don't really describe your heritage. Your heritage is American (and not Native American before someone tries to trot out that old red herring to discredit my position). You're born and raised in America, to American parents. This hyphenated American business is ridiculous.
Your rant above is fine, but then direct it at the non-immigrant white people who open Italian restaurants and pizza joints because they're "Italian," or the white people who flock to Notre Dame University because they're "Irish." Or all of the white people who save their money to take the trip of a lifetime back to "the Old Country."
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