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Old 09-11-2013, 07:19 AM
 
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- people who qui predictably use this as another excuse to bash Quebec (code word for ''French Canadians'') with vitriol that ironically is usually infinitely more racist than anything that is in that Charter proposal announced yesterday
did you accidentially insert the French word here
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I wonder if Mr. Milk is in that 3rd category, eh?

Hubby and I discussed this last night as well, and I agree with you that we're heading for a third referendum.

Internet trolls take note, Pauline has pwned us all!
Well people like jambo101 don't seem to get it and seem to think this foreshadows a new Kristallnacht, but just to make it clearer, in simple terms:

1 - PQ unveils proposals for values charter - reactions are vitriolic and over the top, particular from the ROC, and widely covered in the Quebec media

2- Minority PQ government gets toppled, proposed values charter dies, new elections held in Quebec

3- Elections held, and a sufficient amount of Quebec voters are PO'd enough at the ROC's bashing of Quebec and the federal government's perceived legal thwarting of Quebec's will, to give the PQ enough votes to get a majority goverrnment this time.

4- The PQ, with its majority, starts putting the wheels in motion for a third referendum (depending on how things are going, it may or may not need to revive the dead values charter to fan the flames of Quebec bashing in the ROC that always helps convince Quebecers that ROCers hate their guts and that there is no place for them in Canada
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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did you accidentially insert the French word here
Hahaha. Well now you have proof that my responses here are often thought out in French, then translated and then typed!
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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Hahaha. Well now you have proof that my responses here are often thought out in French, then translated and then typed!
well, I wish my English were as good and eloquent as yours
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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Well people like jambo101 don't seem to get it and seem to think this foreshadows a new Kristallnacht, but just to make it clearer, in simple terms:

1 - PQ unveils proposals for values charter - reactions are vitriolic and over the top, particular from the ROC, and widely covered in the Quebec media

2- Minority PQ government gets toppled, proposed values charter dies, new elections held in Quebec

3- Elections held, and a sufficient amount of Quebec voters are PO'd enough at the ROC's bashing of Quebec and the federal government's perceived legal thwarting of Quebec's will, to give the PQ enough votes to get a majority goverrnment this time.

4- The PQ, with its majority, starts putting the wheels in motion for a third referendum (depending on how things are going, it may or may not need to revive the dead values charter to fan the flames of Quebec bashing in the ROC that always helps convince Quebecers that ROCers hate their guts and that there is no place for them in Canada
Thanks for the reply AJ but to not see this piece of legislation as totally racist and intolerant toward Quebecs minorities tells me you've totally lost even the concept of freedom.
As for official ROC getting a little hyped about the issue? well yeah Quebec is still a province in Canada and as such should represent the moral ideals and standards of Canada , as for Grass roots ROC as usual most just roll their eyes and couldnt care less about Quebec and its loony tune racist and linguistic laws..
If Quebec feels itself so vilified and hated by the rest of the ROC why not just do itself a favor and just declare independence unilaterally. I;m sure all those supposed Quebec haters from ROC will be dancing in the streets to see Quebec go, and all those poor downtrodden/oppressed Quebeckers who now have a view of the promised land will also be dancing in the streets, i only see a win win scenario
AJ at a grass roots level explain/defend why you as a francophone think this piece of legislation is necessary/beneficial to the population of Quebec. Why should a woman wearing a head scarf , a Jewish person with a Kippah a Sikh wearing a turban etc.be legislated from doing so in the public sector of Quebec?
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Old 09-11-2013, 11:38 AM
 
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Something else just came to mind Will this Charter of Quebec Values apply to all things Christmas? the festivities/activities in schools, the Christmas lights all around the city how about Easter,Thanksgiving,halloween..,?
This Quebec is turning into one dismal place to live unless you are pur laine francophone with no overt religious associations or a tourist just stopping by for a few days.

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Old 09-11-2013, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Memo to English Canada: you are being politically trolled in order to set up the next PQ majority government and, ultimately, the third referendum.

Underneath this issue are stakes a lot higher than whether a lady can wear a burqa while working in a daycare.
...and they actually think this will work? I can tell you here in Vancouver, the conversation hasn't turned in the direction of " those crazy Quebeckers, let them go ".
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Old 09-11-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Well people like jambo101 don't seem to get it and seem to think this foreshadows a new Kristallnacht, but just to make it clearer, in simple terms:

1 - PQ unveils proposals for values charter - reactions are vitriolic and over the top, particular from the ROC, and widely covered in the Quebec media

2- Minority PQ government gets toppled, proposed values charter dies, new elections held in Quebec

3- Elections held, and a sufficient amount of Quebec voters are PO'd enough at the ROC's bashing of Quebec and the federal government's perceived legal thwarting of Quebec's will, to give the PQ enough votes to get a majority goverrnment this time.

4- The PQ, with its majority, starts putting the wheels in motion for a third referendum (depending on how things are going, it may or may not need to revive the dead values charter to fan the flames of Quebec bashing in the ROC that always helps convince Quebecers that ROCers hate their guts and that there is no place for them in Canada
Criticizing a racist, backwards charter is NOT Quebec bashing. No one I know here in B.C. thinks this represents all Quebeckers in any way shape or form. We see this representing an extreme view from those currently in power. How many Quebeckers like this charter? What do the polls say?
If this "ploy" is truly what the charter is about, what does that say about Quebeckers? The tone of this discussion seems to be pointing the finger at the ROC as being easily duped. It seems the same can be said for Quebeckers who are not separatists.

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Old 09-11-2013, 12:12 PM
 
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3- Elections held, and a sufficient amount of Quebec voters are PO'd enough at the ROC's bashing of Quebec and the federal government's perceived legal thwarting of Quebec's will, to give the PQ enough votes to get a majority goverrnment this time.

4- The PQ, with its majority, starts putting the wheels in motion for a third referendum (depending on how things are going, it may or may not need to revive the dead values charter to fan the flames of Quebec bashing in the ROC that always helps convince Quebecers that ROCers hate their guts and that there is no place for them in Canada
Lets See if i understand your logic AJ.
Marois puts out the apparently irrelevant Quebec Charter of Values solely in an effort to get the ROC really peeved at Quebec, the francophones of Quebec see this supposed enhanced hatred for Quebec from the ROC and feel their best option is to now vote in a majority separatist government then vote for separation in a 3rd Quebec referendum because no one likes them. Really?
AJ i sometimes wonder if you arent listening to a francophone equivalent of Rush Limbaugh who's playing you and your emotions toward Canada like a violin.
As said before the ROC doesnt care much for Quebec,Mrs Marois just take all your charters and bills and your racist c rap and just leave Canada already, no one cares anymore, as can be seen by the almost total lack of interest from the ROC in responding to this topic.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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Criticizing a racist, backwards charter is NOT Quebec bashing. No one I know here in B.C. thinks this represents all Quebeckers in any way shape or form. We see this representing an extreme view from those currently in power. How many Quebeckers like this charter? What do the polls say?
If this "ploy" is truly what the charter is about, what does that say about Quebeckers? The tone of this discussion seems to be pointing the finger at the ROC of Canada as being easily duped. It seems the same can be said for Quebeckers who are not separatists.
Why the hell does this have anything to do with racism? Isn't the crucifix banned as well, are you saying the charter is discriminating against white Christian Canadians? Does that even make any sense to you

All this random labeling about "racism" is stupid. The charert forbids religious symbols because they are stupid, and that's all it means. Has nothing "deeper" than this. The public service should bear no religious background, let it be Christianity or Scientology.

Often the so called "liberals" are so disgustingly hypocritical as if they are the most noble and open minded people on the planet.

As to backwards, you know what is backwards? Religion, any religion.
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