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Old 09-18-2013, 02:24 PM
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You are allowed, just become a Sikh. Do you think regular people should walk around wearing medals around their necks when they didn't earn them? To get a medal, you have to accomplish something. The same goes for carrying a kirpan, you have to become Sikh.
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
Equality rights: (section 15): equal treatment before and under the law, and equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination.

In other words .... I should be treated the same despite my religious affiliation! Hence, I should be allowed to carry a knife.
I'd say in a court of law that Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is going to trump your Charter of Quebec Values, the key being your right to be treated the same despite your religious position.
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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By that logic, I should be allowed to carry a gun if it has no bullets?
What does the gun symbolize?
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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Default Devotion to Gun God

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What does the gun symbolize?


And my religious rights are being taken away everyday!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/bu...hops.html?_r=0
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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I mean, what does the gun symbolize in Canadian culture, because this debate is not about the U.S. I merely provided a fact on how one instance of this issue was carried out in another country.
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Old 09-18-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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I mean, what does the gun symbolize in Canadian culture, because this debate is not about the U.S. I merely provided a fact on how one instance of this issue was carried out in another country.
Sorry I did not realize that you were looking for a serious response.

I don't know if I understand your question. The gun (like the knife/ kirpan) does not symbolize anything in Canada. The instance you gave - the ruling in NY re: kirpan, is laughable to say the least. And I guarantee you that it would be easily overturned if someone challenged it in a higher court. So basically the NY court is saying that you can carry a knife only if it is glued to the holster? Under US Law, this obviously applies to non-Sikhs as well.

You are telling me you see nothing wrong with this? Isn't this is a bizarre ruling?

What else is allowed on the streets and schools of NY that we didn't know about? Gun without bullets? Un-sharpened swords? Non-lethal powered light sabers?
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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Sorry I did not realize that you were looking for a serious response.

I don't know if I understand your question. The gun (like the knife/ kirpan) does not symbolize anything in Canada. The instance you gave - the ruling in NY re: kirpan, is laughable to say the least. And I guarantee you that it would be easily overturned if someone challenged it in a higher court. So basically the NY court is saying that you can carry a knife only if it is glued to the holster? Under US Law, this obviously applies to non-Sikhs as well.

You are telling me you see nothing wrong with this? Isn't this is a bizarre ruling?

What else is allowed on the streets and schools of NY that we didn't know about? Gun without bullets? Un-sharpened swords? Non-lethal powered light sabers?
Oh, I absolutely see something wrong with this and think it is a recipe for disaster. I believe the NY ruling was more of an appeasement/loophole approach, as opposed to dealing with the core of the issue. But it does seem that the Canadian side just outright allowed it without any question, so this is clearly a touchy subject that gets beaten around the bush alot.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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Canada is a Christian country and everybody should respect that. You come to Canada, you should respect the laws and culture of the country. Muslims should know how it feels like being a minority now just like Christians feel in the Middle East and Islamic nations. Perhaps why not tax non-Christians also? Anyone heard of Jizya where non-Muslims must pay extra tax for not believe in muhammad and allah!!
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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^^^^ Jews for Jesus. Is that you?

You had us worried.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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^^^^ Jews for Jesus. Is that you?

You had us worried.
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