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Old 10-10-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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I guess we all have our opinions, mine balk at the idea of being told what language to speak, what language signs i can postwhat schools my kids are allowed to attend and what clothing i'm allowed to wear..
I guess some have no problem living in a society where the government dictates these criteria..
Obviously living in Quebec its in ones best interest to speak and carry on business in French, but i'd prefer that i made that decision and not the government..
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:20 PM
 
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I guess we all have our opinions, mine balk at the idea of being told what language to speak, what language signs i can postwhat schools my kids are allowed to attend and what clothing i'm allowed to wear..
I guess some have no problem living in a society where the government dictates these criteria..
Obviously living in Quebec its in ones best interest to speak and carry on business in French, but i'd prefer that i made that decision and not the government..
Amen.
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:35 PM
 
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I guess we all have our opinions, mine balk at the idea of being told what language to speak, what language signs i can postwhat schools my kids are allowed to attend and what clothing i'm allowed to wear..
I guess some have no problem living in a society where the government dictates these criteria..
Obviously living in Quebec its in ones best interest to speak and carry on business in French, but i'd prefer that i made that decision and not the government..
Sure and I agree but making it sound like its a totalarian regime over there and the Ottawa river is like a sentry guarded iron curtain you have to vault over is a bit much .
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:08 PM
 
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I guess we all have our opinions, mine balk at the idea of being told what language to speak, what language signs i can postwhat schools my kids are allowed to attend and what clothing i'm allowed to wear..
I guess some have no problem living in a society where the government dictates these criteria..
Obviously living in Quebec its in ones best interest to speak and carry on business in French, but i'd prefer that i made that decision and not the government..
I agree with all of this. But "police state" is a non sequitur. As an avid student of history for all my life, the implications of the term aren't lost on me. I don't know if there's an analog to Godwin's law that applies to that term, but it has had the same effect in every discussion I've seen it dropped, nevermind 4 times (trolling?).
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Police state = any place that has a law that your hyperbolic interlocutor does not agree with

I've actually heard people say with a straight face that requiring dogs on leashes in city parks is akin to Nazi Germany.

A lot of people in 2013 really need to get a grip.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:21 PM
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The hyperboles are not welcomed by me, but as more and more little freedoms get taken away, one by one, it may not seem like an issue, but when you look at the big picture, it is.
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Old 10-11-2013, 03:58 AM
 
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Police state = any place that has a law that your hyperbolic interlocutor does not agree with

I've actually heard people say with a straight face that requiring dogs on leashes in city parks is akin to Nazi Germany.

A lot of people in 2013 really need to get a grip.
Lets analyze the term
police state
a country in which the activities of the people are strictly controlled by the government

I would say that the application on its people of all Quebecs language laws and perhaps potentially its religious freedoms would apply to this statement as they are strictly controlled by the government,
with the help of a police force,
The OQLF would qualify as the legal police on the issue of enforcing strict compliance of said laws..

AJ i dont need to get a grip i got a very good grip on whats going on here in Quebec, its you who need to get a grip on your eyelids and open them so you can see just where all this separatist baloney has taken and is taking the province of Quebec..
And while we are in repetitive mode feel free to defend these linguistic laws and potential religious laws, tell the world why Bill101, proposed bill14 and Quebecs tabled Charter of Values are needed in Quebec..

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Old 10-11-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Lets analyze the term
police state
a country in which the activities of the people are strictly controlled by the government

I would say that the application on its people of all Quebecs language laws and perhaps potentially its religious freedoms would apply to this statement as they are strictly controlled by the government,
with the help of a police force,
The OQLF would qualify as the legal police on the issue of enforcing strict compliance of said laws..

AJ i dont need to get a grip i got a very good grip on whats going on here in Quebec, its you who need to get a grip on your eyelids and open them so you can see just where all this separatist baloney has taken and is taking the province of Quebec..
And while we are in repetitive mode feel free to defend these linguistic laws and potential religious laws, tell the world why Bill101, proposed bill14 and Quebecs tabled Charter of Values are needed in Quebec..
I sometimes wonder if self-imposed over the top negativity and bitterness aren't going to destroy Quebec's anglo community a lot more than the PQ's policies ever could.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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I sometimes wonder if self-imposed over the top negativity and bitterness aren't going to destroy Quebec's anglo community a lot more than the PQ's policies ever could.
I think your missing the major point of the separatist agenda, its all about making life negative for non Francophones in the hopes they will all be driven to leave Quebec thus rendering a more pure motherland in Quebec for francophones. If any one is over the top its the Quebec governments obsession to rid itself of non francophones particularly the Anglo demographic..

On a side note you certainly arent forthcoming on justifying the Quebec governments need for all its petty language laws, rather tough to justify something you know to be flat out wrong eh.
In case you have forgotten =Bill101, proposed bill14 and Quebecs tabled Charter of Values..Why?

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Old 10-11-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Put yourself in the shoes of your average young anglophone Quebecer. All they hear from the media and their parents, their entourage and even their teachers perhaps, is that Quebec sucks, Montreal sucks, anglos are oppressed, hated, francophones are all xenophobic... it's a constant barrage of negativism.

All of which ends up convincing them that when the kid on the other side of the counter at Subway greets them with a "bonjour" (or perhaps, if they get a job at the Subway, that the boss will expect them to greet customers with "bonjour"), it's somehow a grave injustice that ranks up there with the rape of Nanking by the Japanese.

So sure, if I was constantly bombarded with all this crap and ended up thinking this way, I'd probably leave too.

And all the while, what seems to be forgotten is that Bill 14 has died, the PQ is a fragile minority government, and the only "victim" of the entire debate in decades has been a sound man named Denis Blanchette from the barrel of a crazy old anglo guy by the name of Richard Bain...
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