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Old 11-04-2013, 01:17 PM
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You seem to find a problem with everything that we do that the Americans don't and everything that we don't do that the Americans do.
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Old Toronto, Canada
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You seem to find a problem with everything that we do that the Americans don't and everything that we don't do that the Americans do.
My post was not about the US whatsoever, and I didn't have Washington DC in mind either.
I have been to many countries, and found more countries have capitals as a seperate administrative region, all sizable countries.

Unlike you, I am not making Canada all about how it compares with the US.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:23 PM
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Fair enough. I'm just so happy in this country, I don't want the system we have to change so drastically.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Old Toronto, Canada
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Fair enough. I'm just so happy in this country, I don't want the system we have to change so drastically.
It is not about you being happy with your country or not. It is about running the country more efficiently.

Too many governments mean much higher cost (salary, pension, government waste) and we taxpayers eat the bill.

For example, the three Maritime province shouldn't get to be their own provinces individually. Their combine land is small, so is the population. Why do we pay the expenses associated with three governments, instead of one? It all comes at a cost. The entire population of theirs isn't as big as the city of Toronto, isn't that ridiculous? There are always small provinces and big one, but they are way too small (PEI in particular).

I propose southern Ontario to be a province because it is completely different from the north. The economy, the culture, the mindset, climate, everything. The Ontario government doesn't pay enough attention to the North as needed because it is far less important. For example, electricity price doesn't have to be as high as it is in Toronto.

On the other hand, Toronto's money has been used to subsidize the north, often in stupid and wasteful "programs". The money could've been used more efficiently to upgrade Toronto's embarrassing 1980s transit and crumpling highways.

It is not about wanting to change things. It is not about copying the US model. It is about running the country better and make better use of tax revenue.

I am sick of hearing people say "I am fine with how Canada is and don't want to change it". This is not national pride or empty patriotism. It is about laziness. It is about settling for status quo and not trying to improve.
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Old 11-04-2013, 04:55 PM
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For example, the three Maritime province shouldn't get to be their own provinces individually. Their combine land is small, so is the population. Why do we pay the expenses associated with three governments, instead of one? It all comes at a cost. The entire population of theirs isn't as big as the city of Toronto, isn't that ridiculous? There are always small provinces and big one, but they are way too small (PEI in particular).
So it was OK in 1867 but it's not OK now? These provinces laid the foundation for our country.
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I propose southern Ontario to be a province because it is completely different from the north. The economy, the culture, the mindset, climate, everything. The Ontario government doesn't pay enough attention to the North as needed because it is far less important. For example, electricity price doesn't have to be as high as it is in Toronto.

On the other hand, Toronto's money has been used to subsidize the north, often in stupid and wasteful "programs". The money could've been used more efficiently to upgrade Toronto's embarrassing 1980s transit and crumpling highways.

It is not about wanting to change things. It is not about copying the US model. It is about running the country better and make better use of tax revenue.

I am sick of hearing people say "I am fine with how Canada is and don't want to change it". This is not national pride or empty patriotism. It is about laziness. It is about settling for status quo and not trying to improve.
It sounds like you have something against Northern Ontario. They're going through difficult economic times and you want to cut them off. What are you talking about with the culture and mindset being different, anyways?
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I am sick of hearing people say "I am fine with how Canada is and don't want to change it". This is not national pride or empty patriotism. It is about laziness. It is about settling for status quo and not trying to improve.
Removing autonomy from certain parts of our country just to save money is not my idea of progress.
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Old 11-04-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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I think you are greatly underestimating the number of ''idiotic edicts enacting creole zealots'' (as you call them).
2.3 million YES votes in 1995 is what I based my numbers on. 2 millions of those I gather are your hardcore '' french no matter the cost'' and 1 million tops are torn between their lingo and their pocketbook.

If you are privvy to any insider info on those figures please share and we will set our defcon alertness system accordingly lol
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Old 11-04-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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Quebec and Ontario
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Old 11-04-2013, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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2.3 million YES votes in 1995 is what I based my numbers on. 2 millions of those I gather are your hardcore '' french no matter the cost'' and 1 million tops are torn between their lingo and their pocketbook.

If you are privvy to any insider info on those figures please share and we will set our defcon alertness system accordingly lol
There is only a partial correlation between people who voted yes to independence and the people who feel strongly about the French language. The latter group is actually much larger, and most francophone federalists in Quebec (people who voted non to independence) feel fairly strongly about the language issue and are generally supportive of the language policies.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:11 PM
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Oh, come on. Even Rene Levesque himself thought the sign laws were going to make Quebec a laughing stock. (He was right!) There are probably as many separatists indifferent to (or against, for economic and diplomatic reasons) the language laws as there are federalists in favour of them.
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Old Toronto, Canada
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So it was OK in 1867 but it's not OK now? These provinces laid the foundation for our country.
in 1867 they were considered sizable provinces, now they are not.

the fact they are founding provinces have absolutely nothing to do with it. I don't know why people keep saying it is relevant. We are in 2013, not 1867.

Plus, PEI joined in 1873, even later than Manitoba and BC.
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