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View Poll Results: Is Quebec Independence a Legitimate Movement?
Yes 106 66.67%
No 53 33.33%
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:49 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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As great as your "ideals" may sound, in this time universe time continuum, economic globalization is already beyond a sure thing.
Like I said, globalism can mean many things. You've provided no reason that nations cannot retain all the aspects of their nationhood and why protectionism shouldn't be applied for the good of the common citizen. Last I checked, Japan, South Korea, and Iceland were doing pretty well despite not taking in tons of immigrants. The latter even -gasp- jailed their criminal banksters.




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Fortunately, we have more a few more rational policy makers at the helm
L. O. L. - what am I reading here...

In the USA, the criminals are bailed out and have no shortage of apologists. Also in the USA, folks have no concept of collective interests.

You've correctly inferred that I am a populist: very much so, in fact.

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I just saved you 3 months of college macroeconomics. You are welcome.
I have studied macroeconomics. It is not a "hard" science like physics, chemistry, etc. That is, it doesn't have laws that can be objectively demonstrated. It has theories, theorists, ideologues (particularly of the libertarian ilk), etc.

I suggest that you study physics, chemistry, biology or something or that nature if you want to see what a hard science looks like.
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Old 03-29-2015, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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If Quebec ever achieves independence it'll be because the Quebecois people value a part of who they are (i.e., a Francophone people) and are resisting the seemingly inexorable march towards globalization and assimilation into a world monoculture. It really is not too hard to fathom resistance to this. It starts with each nation asserting its own right to self-determination. And by nation, of course, I mean the common people, not the traitorous elites.
This is very interesting theorizing, but Quebec independence isn't really an anti-globalization thing. It's about Quebec taking part in globalization fully, but on its own terms.
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Old 03-29-2015, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Canada
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This is very interesting theorizing, but Quebec independence isn't really an anti-globalization thing. It's about Quebec taking part in globalization fully, but on its own terms.
Indeed, I think it would be quite damaging if an independent Quebec took an isolationist stance. It is a small jurisdiction with lots of specific natural resources and industrial infrastructure that can be quite profitable if trade is open with other places, not a place with a history of economic isolation, and it'd be in need of capital to redevelop its economic orientation. With a newly smaller internal market with the rest of Canada gone and a need to find new places to sell its goods, an anti-globalist stance would be disastrous.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Indeed, I think it would be quite damaging if an independent Quebec took an isolationist stance. It is a small jurisdiction with lots of specific natural resources and industrial infrastructure that can be quite profitable if trade is open with other places, not a place with a history of economic isolation, and it'd be in need of capital to redevelop its economic orientation. With a newly smaller internal market with the rest of Canada gone and a need to find new places to sell its goods, an anti-globalist stance would be disastrous.
What's interesting is that in the rest of Canada the PQ and Quebec separatists (sometimes even Quebec in general, in a common "short cut") are seen as being isolationist, when the separatist movement in particular sees itself as the exact opposite, and is not at all in favour of restrictive trade practices or anything of that sort.

If I was to speak for them, they'd likely argue that one doesn't have to emulate English Canada exactly (or even "be" like them or merge with them) in order to be open to the world.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Still with this, they even see being part of Canada as being a hindrance on Quebec opening itself up to the world, since Quebec has to go through Ottawa and the federal government in order to speak internationally most of the time, sometimes through the mouth of a unilingual anglophone Foreign Affairs Minister (as is the case at the moment I believe). Not to mention certain Canadian foreign policy decisions and initiatives that Quebec likely wouldn't go along with if it had a choice.

Anyway, not necessarily my view, but this is what I hear sometimes.
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Old 03-31-2015, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Ottawa
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What's interesting is that in the rest of Canada the PQ and Quebec separatists (sometimes even Quebec in general, in a common "short cut&quot are seen as being isolationist, when the separatist movement in particular sees itself as the exact opposite, and is not at all in favour of restrictive trade practices or anything of that sort.

If I was to speak for them, they'd likely argue that one doesn't have to emulate English Canada exactly (or even "be" like them or merge with them) in order to be open to the world.
How is it not isolationist? Serious question.
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Old 03-31-2015, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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How is it not isolationist? Serious question.
It's pretty clear in my last couple of posts if you bother to read them.

Not being interested in listening to Rita McNeil or watching Corner Gas does not make one isolationist.
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Old 04-01-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Ottawa
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It's pretty clear in my last couple of posts if you bother to read them.

Not being interested in listening to Rita McNeil or watching Corner Gas does not make one isolationist.
You know what, you're right.
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It's pretty clear in my last couple of posts if you bother to read them.

Not being interested in listening to Rita McNeil or watching Corner Gas does not make one isolationist.
I would say listening to Rita McNeill and watching corner gas is the result of being an isolationist.
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Ottawa
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