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View Poll Results: Is Quebec Independence a Legitimate Movement?
Yes 106 66.67%
No 53 33.33%
Voters: 159. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-08-2015, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Montreal > Quebec > Canada
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Originally Posted by jambo101 View Post
I guess if you pay a dollar a day in federal taxes and recieve $2.36 back from Ottawa the amount may seem trivial on an individual daily basis but considering how many people in Quebec are paying federal taxes and how much they are paying the cumulative aspect can get substantial,most people pay much more than a buck a day in federal taxes and they are paying for the whole year..
$2.36 back for every buck paid in? sweet deal..
You don't get it: you don't get $2.36$ back for every dollar you pay in federal taxes, the province receives the equivalent of $2.36 per day per resident - period.

Those who pay taxes pay way, way more taxes than this on average.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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Heres another explanation of how Quebec comes out ahead in the equalization game..

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Of the six provinces receiving equalization in 2012-13, Quebec does receive the most in terms of total equalization payment, $7.9-bn. However, on a per capita basis, Quebec actually receives the second least amount of equalization. Quebec, like all recipient provinces, receives equalization based on two factors: its population, and because its fiscal capacity is below the average fiscal capacity of all provinces – known as the “10 province standard”. However, while Quebec’s fiscal capacity is below the 10 province standard, it is not that as far below the standard as some of the other recipient provinces since it has a fairly diversified and large economy, as well as being quite populous. On a per capita basis, Quebec gets only $926 per citizen from equalization. Ontario gets $243 per citizen. Ontario’s fiscal capacity is better than Quebec’s, and so it receives less equalization overall ($3.2-bn) and it has a much larger population – 13,373,000. Prince Edward Island is actually the province which benefits the most from equalization. It receives the smallest overall amount, $337-mn, but with a population of only 146,000, that works out to $2,308 per Islander. This chart shows how much equalization each province receives total, and per capita:
Province Population Total Equalization
2012-2013


Population. Equalization payment in Billions and per capita.
Quebec 7,979,700 $7,391 $926
Ontario 13,373,000 $3,261 $243
Manitoba 1,250,600 $1,671 $1,338
New Brunswick 755,000 $1,495 $1,980
Nova Scotia 945,500 $1,268 $1,342
PEI 146,000 $337 $2,308
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Nation du Québec
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Heres another explanation of how Quebec comes out ahead in the equalization game..
Québec pays tax like everyone else. It is our money to spend because we have earned it. I do not see you critiquing Nova Scotia's equalization payments! Only Québec, as usual.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Québec pays tax like everyone else. It is our money to spend because we have earned it. I do not see you critiquing Nova Scotia's equalization payments! Only Québec, as usual.
The difference is that people in Nova Scotia don't reject Canada as their country.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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The difference is that people in Nova Scotia don't reject Canada as their country.
We can assume that at least a few Nova Scotians do. Anyway, government programs are not subject to arbitrary notions of what the proper level of loyalty should be. If you are citizen and pay taxes, that's all it takes. There is no requirement to prefer a Canadian identity over a Québécois one, the CFL over the NFL, the Maple Leafs/Habs over the Bruins or Air Farce over SNL in order to enjoy the full benefits of being a Canadian if you meet all of the criteria.
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Old 04-10-2015, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Virginia (From Sweden)
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The Quebec independence movement is absolutely legitimate. I hope that Quebec continues to prosper and it would be fantastic to see them attain their final independence. My question is why wouldn't it be legitimate?
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Old 04-11-2015, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Canada
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We can assume that at least a few Nova Scotians do. Anyway, government programs are not subject to arbitrary notions of what the proper level of loyalty should be. If you are citizen and pay taxes, that's all it takes. There is no requirement to prefer a Canadian identity over a Québécois one, the CFL over the NFL, the Maple Leafs/Habs over the Bruins or Air Farce over SNL in order to enjoy the full benefits of being a Canadian if you meet all of the criteria.
Really Acajack? Do you actually think the relationship that Nova Scotians have with the ROC is anything like Quebec's? You're stretching too far and you know it.
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Old 04-11-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Really Acajack? Do you actually think the relationship that Nova Scotians have with the ROC is anything like Quebec's? You're stretching too far and you know it.
It is irrelevant. Quebec posesses the right to have whatever relationship with the cloudy "Canadian identity" that we choose. Can we be faulted for not embracing blind Canadian patriotism when most anglo Canadians themselves prefer American culture to their own?
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Old 04-12-2015, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Really Acajack? Do you actually think the relationship that Nova Scotians have with the ROC is anything like Quebec's? You're stretching too far and you know it.
I still stand by my original point. Sorry.
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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It is irrelevant. Quebec posesses the right to have whatever relationship with the cloudy "Canadian identity" that we choose. Can we be faulted for not embracing blind Canadian patriotism when most anglo Canadians themselves prefer American culture to their own?
Most Canadians look at the country as far more than just one that is some sort of blind Canadian entity that is an American cultural proxy.. There are elements to that but essentially it is more than that.. You have convinced yourself that that is all Canada is.. Perhaps you should spend time with more Canadians outside Quebec.. Come have a beer with us. YOU'RE Paying lol..
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