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View Poll Results: Is Quebec Independence a Legitimate Movement?
Yes 106 66.67%
No 53 33.33%
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Old 10-30-2015, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Are you saying that the parliament could open the constitution to abolish or at least strongly reform the senate based on the 7/50 (or 7/93 since 1995) ?
What is "7/93"? Constitutionally, most amendments still require "7/50"; only a few require "10/100." There is, to the best of my knowledge, no other choice.

So what is "7/93"?
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Old 10-30-2015, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Shawinigan
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What is "7/93"? Constitutionally, most amendments still require "7/50"; only a few require "10/100." There is, to the best of my knowledge, no other choice.

So what is "7/93"?
From the constitutionnal ammendement SC 1996 c. 1 ( http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/C-36.7.pdf)

This law stipulates that the government will not present a draft constitutional amendment without the consent of Quebec, Ontario and British Columbia. For the Prairies and the Maritimes, the government will wait for the agreement of two provinces each group provided those two provinces represent at least 50% of the population of the region.

This additional requirement has led some political scientists that the amending formula is no longer "7/50" (7 provinces with 50% of the population. So the law is respected, if at least 7 provinces agrees, which represent 93% of the population. Some people therefore speak of the phrase "7/93"
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Old 10-31-2015, 07:20 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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That's been the strategy for several Canadian PMs in a row now. Eventually that sweeping of the issue under the carpet may come back to bite us in the butt.
And stirring the pot on the issue doesn't bite you on the butt somehow?
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Old 10-31-2015, 07:22 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Indeed. For some reason there is a lingering inaccurate perception out there (in Quebec and even in the ROC sometimes) that the Constitution legally does not apply to Quebec because the province did not sign it.

Questions of symbolism and even political legitimacy are a whole other matter of course.
Doesn't Quebec's purposeful invocation of the "notwithstanding clause" constitute an implied ratification of the Charter? As a lawyer I would think that a purposeful invocation of that document constitutes an acceptance.
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Old 10-31-2015, 07:29 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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In particular, I was totally flabbergasted by how many Franco-Ontarians (who formed a large part of my entourage at the time) could fairly easily envision their future as Canadians in a country without Quebec, and by their prudent confidence that not much would change with respect to their rights, institutions and services in a Canada-sans-Québec. Of course, all of them preferred for Quebec to stay, but if it didn't, they'd stay put in Ontario and continue on exactly as they did the day before. Nothing would change. In some of their minds they'd even be sitting pretty and the Québécois would be f---ed.
Latinos have done pretty well in terms of Spanish signage in some public facilities, at the polls, and in many stores despite having no official status. Why would Francophones remaining in the ROC if Quebec secedes or is kicked out do any worse?
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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And stirring the pot on the issue doesn't bite you on the butt somehow?
I wasn't talking about stirring the pot carelessly. I was talking about making a sincere effort to address the issue.
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Singing "Oh Canada"?
Are you being silly on purpose?
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Are you being silly on purpose?
Yes.
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Doesn't Quebec's purposeful invocation of the "notwithstanding clause" constitute an implied ratification of the Charter? As a lawyer I would think that a purposeful invocation of that document constitutes an acceptance.
Yes and no. As we've already said, the Constitution and Charter already apply to Quebec whether it has signed it or not. That's the main thing that counts.

As for optics and the political issue, I am not sure that using the Charter's escape clause to get out of parts of the Charter you don't agree with it, really constitutes acceptance of it. You have to go through a lot of logic gymnastics in order to arrive at that conclusion.

But as I said, it still applies in Quebec. The rest is mostly a battle for hearts and minds and nothing else.
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yes.
Making fun of a minor mistake that I made in my second language, one that I likely write better than 90% of its native speakers.
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