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View Poll Results: Is Quebec Independence a Legitimate Movement?
Yes 116 65.17%
No 62 34.83%
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Old 09-08-2019, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Equalization as a program was instituted in 1957.
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Old 09-08-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Equalization as a program was instituted in 1957.
It was expanded thereafter. But was it instituted during the St. Laurent mandate or the Diefenbaker minority mandate? Here my ignorance of Canada shows but I would like to know.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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It was expanded thereafter. But was it instituted during the St. Laurent mandate or the Diefenbaker minority mandate? Here my ignorance of Canada shows but I would like to know.
The most important thing is that it was instituted long before any serious Quebec separatist movement came to light.

So the very popular notion that it exists to buy off Quebec is BS.
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Québec
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The most important thing is that it was instituted long before any serious Quebec separatist movement came to light.

So the very popular notion that it exists to buy off Quebec is BS.
Even if it was a attempted form of pay-off from the English Canadian loyalists that would be their own mistake and not something that makes QC indebted.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The most important thing is that it was instituted long before any serious Quebec separatist movement came to light.

So the very popular notion that it exists to buy off Quebec is BS.
But the separatist movement, from what little I understand, was a reaction to the Borden coalition (Canada's only coalition government, that had the effect of freezing out Quebec Liberals) and the attempt at WW II conscription by ("talk to dead mother) King. I believe that the notion that Quebec needed to be bought off goes back at least to the WW I era.

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Old 09-12-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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But the separatist movement, from what little I understand, was a reaction to the Borden coalition Canada's only coalition government, that had the effect of freezing out Quebec Liberals) and the attempt at WW II conscription by "talk to dead mother) King. I believe that the notion that Quebec needed to be bought off goes back at least to the WW I era.
I don't believe there was anything unusual at that time beyond the consideration that a province with around one third of the country's population (as it had back then) merits at least some amount of electoral consideration.


And even so...


Federal authorities in some cases actually "hunted" French Canadian men who were trying to evade conscription, to suit them up and send them overseas.


I'd hardly call that kowtowing to Quebec.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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It's only really as of the 1960s that the federal government became very attuned to the fact that decisions relating to Quebec could have the double-whammy of affecting both electoral fortunes AND the future of the country as a united entity.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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Federal authorities in some cases actually "hunted" French Canadian men who were trying to evade conscription, to suit them up and send them overseas.

I'd hardly call that kowtowing to Quebec.
I believe that was during the Borden days. King backed off conscription if I recall, at least in Quebec.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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It's only really as of the 1960s that the federal government became very attuned to the fact that decisions relating to Quebec could have the double-whammy of affecting both electoral fortunes AND the future of the country as a united entity.
Then why did Borden coalesce with the predecessor of the Progressive Conservatives (whose name I forget)? It had to be to preempt the possibility of the Quebec members of the Liberal caucus bolting the government and triggering an election.
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Old 09-13-2019, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Then why did Borden coalesce with the predecessor of the Progressive Conservatives (whose name I forget)? It had to be to preempt the possibility of the Quebec members of the Liberal caucus bolting the government and triggering an election.
Jbgusa,

I am impressed with how consistently you display your knowledge about Canada.

If you weren't so anti-Quebec I would seek to hire you for myself.
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