Is Quebec Independence a Legitimate Movement? (transportation, gas, dentists)

[Natnasci]

A lot is made of the 51 percent " support " for separation in the 1995 referendum. Some, believe the question was so confusing, that some didn't fully understand what they were voting for.

I remember interviews from the time where some believed separation meant they could keep their Canadian passport.

Independence Referendums: The 1995 Quebec referendum question

[Guytar1220]

Originally Posted by Natnasci

A lot is made of the 51 percent " support " for separation in the 1995 referendum. Some, believe the question was so confusing, that some didn't fully understand what they were voting for.

I remember interviews from the time where some believed separation meant they could keep their Canadian passport.

Independence Referendums: The 1995 Quebec referendum question

True, we had quite good laughs at the complexity of the question. This question was the main difference of sovereinty vs separation idea, where as sovereinty implied a mandate from quebec to negociate a common agreement with canada, and separation does not requires any agreement.

That being said, quebecers knew pretty well what they were voting for except for the real seriousness of this negociation obligation. We could easily expect sabotage during the negociation process, so I'm not sure that it was really considered as a real difference by voters.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by Acajack

This is preposterous. You don't have transportable language rights where everyone will speak to you in English no matter where you go.

And of course, little consideration is usually by anglo-lebensraum types to the other side of the coin, which is: how do people who speak French fare in parts of Canada outside Quebec if they want to use their language?

They live in a country that now insists that everywhere else the government operate in both languages. Why should Quebec get to be French only and the rest of the country be saddled with official bilingualism?

[hobbesdj]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

They live in a country that now insists that everywhere else the government operate in both languages. Why should Quebec get to be French only and the rest of the country be saddled with official bilingualism?

Perhaps you should read up on the differences between the federal and the provincial governments.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by hobbesdj

Perhaps you should read up on the differences between the federal and the provincial governments.

Why do Mountie operators in BC have to be proficient in French? And why are Federal promotions so biased against English-speakers who learn French and thus don't have the right accent?

[lexdiamondz1902]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Why do Mountie operators in BC have to be proficient in French? And why are Federal promotions so biased against English-speakers who learn French and thus don't have the right accent?

Because mounties are FEDERAL employees. Local police outside of Quebec don't have to be bilingual at all.

Furthermore, for all this bitching about the rest of the country being Bilingual, it should be pointed out that Quebecois (and francophones in general) are by FAR more bilingual as a whole than Anglophones are. English speakers far more likely to be able to receive service in English in Quebec than French speakers are anywhere else in Canada save for New Brunswick. It is MUCH easier to be an Anglophone in Quebec than a Francophone anywhere else in Canada.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

They live in a country that now insists that everywhere else the government operate in both languages. Why should Quebec get to be French only and the rest of the country be saddled with official bilingualism?

People who spout inanities like "Quebec is French only and Newfoundland and Saskatchewan are wall-to-wall bilingual" make me wanna write off the whole thread. Or at least stay away for a while.

[hobbesdj]

Originally Posted by Acajack

People who spout inanities like "Quebec is French only and Newfoundland and Saskatchewan are wall-to-wall bilingual" make me wanna write off the whole thread. Or at least stay away for a while.

It's no surprise when many people form an impression of Quebec from these types of "sources":



Quebec doesn't always get a fair shake in the English-language media. I am not talking about only Canada, but in the entire anglosphere. We've all heard about how intolerant the Quebecois are, it's only a matter of who believes this garbage and who sees it for what it is. Actual facts are too easily disregarded in favor drama and sensationalism.

[dtmann]

Originally Posted by hobbesdj

It's no surprise when many people form an impression of Quebec from these types of "sources":



Quebec doesn't always get a fair shake in the English-language media. I am not talking about only Canada, but in the entire anglosphere. We've all heard about how intolerant the Quebecois are, it's only a matter of who believes this garbage and who sees it for what it is. Actual facts are too easily disregarded in favor drama and sensationalism.

Yes we have similar issues with this propaganda as well.





I get the sense that certain elements believe this is based in truth.

[cwa1984]

I checked out back to page 38 in this thread but I didn't check out all 44 pages of this thread so if what I'm about to ask has been asked and answered before I apologize.


I'm going to give my $.02 on this being an American and the view of a possible separation of Quebec from Canada from the American perspective of how it will effect the United States and even North America as a whole with the questions it raises from the United States perspective. Questions I would like to ask to see if the separatists have answers to.

1. Okay if Quebec separates from Canada what all do you think would happen to NORAD? It monitors all air space outside of the continent and inside Northern America so it really is a big deal.

2. If Quebec separates from Canada would Quebec join NATO?

3. What is Quebec's view of NAFTA? Would you essentially try to do another agreement or sign onto the existing agreement?

4. Do Quebec separatists plan on using the Loonie or the USD while transferring to Quebec's own currency?

5. The United States, Canada, and Mexico in recent years have made it a priority to share information among each other. The swine flu outbreak Mexican officials were quick in sharing that info with the CDC and with Canadian health officials as well. The same goes for security since the US, Mexico, and Canada have been sharing information for the last couple of years due to security perimeter deals. Will Quebec continue to do so if it becomes and independent country?

6. What will happen to the Atlantic provinces? If Quebec separates it will cut them off from the rest of Canada. So if Quebec becomes an independent country are you going to try and annex all or some of the Atlantic provinces? If not what do you think will be the fate of them?

7. What is Quebec's goals in regards to it's relationship after independence with the United States?

8. How do the Quebec separatists plan on dealing with a hostile Canada if it gains it's independence to prevent hostilities from spilling out into violence against Quebecers outside of Quebec in Canada or even violence directed against the entirety of Quebec itself. The biggest fear from the US perspective when it comes to Quebec is violence and instability on it's northern border.

9. In what ways do you think Quebec independence would have on the North American continent as a whole.

10. What are the Quebec separatists plans going into the future if they succeed in independence?


These are just a few questions I can think of off the top of my head that separatists I view as needing to be able to answer.