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Old 12-21-2014, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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I see. A resident of the Hammer running down the 'shwa. Now that's rich.



Nice attempt at backpedaling. You are correct that you didn't directly call Detroit a "beautiful, sophisticated and exciting" place. You did, however, sarcastically infer that Oshawa was not in response to a fair assessment I gave of Detroit. This would imply that you feel Detroit is at least as "beautiful, sophisticated and exciting" as Oshawa (all the while being a resident of Hamilton, I might add. Hypocrite, much?).

Additionally, your post exuded the benefits of living in Detroit's suburbs, and not the city proper where the pictures I posted were taken. As such, it would not seem you know any more about Detroit than I do. Your posts you don't seem to indicate that you understand that the problems affecting Detroit city (and Camden, East St. Louis and New Orleans lower 9th ward) are far more crippling and deep-seated than those that may (or may not) be affecting semi-affluent suburbs like Novi, for example. For someone who claims to have lived in Detroit for 14 years, it seems strange that you do not understand this.

Your response seems rather odd as my original post was merely pointing out that is is hypocritical for America to look down on Canada when ii suffers the state of urban decay that were chronicled in the links I provided. I get it that you have a soft spot for Detroit. What I don't get is the state of denial you seem to be in regarding its state of decay. Are you seriously trying to imply that Detroit is no worse off than Oshawa, or that the countless pictures of its crumbling grandeur do not present an accurate portrayal of the current state of the vast majority of the city proper? Did you even leave Detroit's suburbs to venture downtown during the 14 years you allegedly lived there?



I was born in Toronto, moved to Whitby and then finally Oshawa. I have worked in downtown Toronto for 14 years and have as much a grasp of what makes a city tick as you do. As for your disparaging comments about Oshawa... You do realize that Oshawa is a much more desirable place to live than Hamilton, and (unlike Detroit's declining population) is currently enjoying one of the largest population growth rates in Ontario, don't you?

A recent report from the agency found Oshawa “registered the strongest population growth” in Ontario, at a rate of 16.4 additional people per thousand of the current population. The period studied was from June 2012 to July 2013.

So much for your "informed, balanced perspectives."



My aunt (originally from Minnesota) lived in Detroit through the race riots and well into the sharp decline of the 70's. Family members who visited her would be told not to go outside after dark and simply ignore the random gunfire that often erupted during their stay.

I lived in the Detroit suburbs, yes, but I went to graduate school in the city and I often had to go into the city for work or personal business. Of course I am aware of its state of decay. I believed I indicated that in my last post.

Nice little digs, but you'll notice that I no longer live in Detroit, and I haven't lived in Hamilton for almost 18 years. Though I've also lived in Montreal, Winnipeg, Brampton, Guelph and Kitchener, the only city I ever truly miss is Montreal.

My apologies. You've lived in Toronto, Whitby and Oshawa. How could I possibly argue with you?
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Old 12-21-2014, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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What misinformation? Do you think the pictures I linked to were photoshopped or something?

Seriously... Have you ever actually BEEN to Detroit???
When I say "Detroit," I'm talking about the METRO DETROIT area. People who don't know Detroit seem to fail to understand that the city is very different from the suburbs. I'm not defending that, I'm not making excuses for that. It simply is what it is.

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Old 12-21-2014, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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Nice little digs, but you'll notice that I no longer live in Detroit, and I haven't lived in Hamilton for almost 18 years. Though I've also lived in Montreal, Winnipeg, Brampton, Guelph and Kitchener, the only city I ever truly miss is Montreal.
WOW! Montreal, Winnipeg, Brampton, Guelph and Kitchener? I never realized I was dealing with someone so worldly!

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When I say "Detroit," I'm talking about the METRO DETROIT area. People who don't know Detroit seem to fail to understand that the city is very different from the suburbs. I'm not defending that, I'm making excuses for that. It simply is what it is.
When did I ever imply that the pics I linked to we taken in Detroit's suburbs? And what does your distinction have to do with the topic being discussed to begin with?
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yeah, it's a big disconnect. The way that some gleefully pat themselves on the back for being "less racist" strikes me as painfully backwards. It is so disheartening to see some so eager to tout statistics, like the number of riots as an indicator of less racism, yet blindly overlook the fact that it is a lot easier to avoid race riots when you have fewer people of color. As a black guy, it reminds me all too much that this back-patting-without-real-progress is probably my least favorite thing about Canada. I happen to be reading Clayton Mosher's Discrimination and Denial: Systematic Racism in Ontario's Legal and Criminal Justice System and this disconnect between minorities and whites and the widespread denial of racism in Canadian society are two of the central themes of the book.
Gleefully? Man you read a lot of your own prejudices into peoples post. If you READ my post you will see how many conclusions you jump to. For you to assume that just because I'm " white " that I will have a certain "disconnect" in itself show your prejudice.

My question is a valid one. I NEVER said it was the only way to measure racism, but to just dismiss race riots as not being a factor in the degree of racism is odd to me.

Certainly Canada's make-up has some differences than the US but there are groups, other than black, that could easily group and riot if they felt racism had reached that point. Heck in Richmond, a suburb of Vancouver it's over 40 percent Asian.

In the GTA there are over 220,000 " people of colour ", not a small group by any standards.

I also have been discriminated against ( ya it happens to white people to !! ) and know the pain it inflicts on a persons soul. That makes your comments all the more offensive.
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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WOW! Montreal, Winnipeg, Brampton, Guelph and Kitchener? I never realized I was dealing with so worldly!
Well, it's more "worldly" (YOUR word, not mine) than your "Toronto, Whitby and Oshawa." At least I've experienced living in places other than the GTA.

BTW, you've already dissed Hamilton, so are you now trying to make digs at these other Canadian cities that you were defending in your original posts? Are you now suggesting that Canadian cities are not superior places?

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Old 12-21-2014, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Canada
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No, it's not hilarious. What happened to Detroit, a once healthy, attractive, influential city is tragic. Why on earth do you think it's funny? You take pleasure in the misfortune of cities, countries, people, do you? And do also consider yourself to be a kinder, gentler, more community-minded individual?

You still haven't given us some background regarding YOUR personal vendetta against the US, drro. Something happened to you, because you've definitely got one great, big, giant chip on YOUR shoulders.
Droo is more like an annoying little brother. I rather like him. We're distantly related, since his people drove my people out of the Netherlands 500 years ago.

It's just his Dutch sense of humour.
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Droo is more like an annoying little brother.
Ooh, you're not kidding.

So, can I lock him in the closet? Draw a mustache on him when he's sleeping? Stick a smelly, dead fish in his backpack? Rough him up a little? Just a little? Please?
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Yeah, it's a big disconnect. The way that some gleefully pat themselves on the back for being "less racist" strikes me as painfully backwards. It is so disheartening to see some so eager to tout statistics, like the number of riots as an indicator of less racism, yet blindly overlook the fact that it is a lot easier to avoid race riots when you have fewer people of color. As a black guy, it reminds me all too much that this back-patting-without-real-progress is probably my least favorite thing about Canada. I happen to be reading Clayton Mosher's Discrimination and Denial: Systematic Racism in Ontario's Legal and Criminal Justice System and this disconnect between minorities and whites and the widespread denial of racism in Canadian society are two of the central themes of the book.
Good post, it makes me sick to see people doing this. It goes to show that some "small L" liberals (with a small "l") aren't the morally superiour beings they claim to be. We still have a long way to go IMO.
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:29 PM
 
Location: sumter
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Any American who has something bad to say about Canada should post his opinion on such utopias such as Detroit, East St. Louis, Camden and New Orleans beautiful 9th ward before he opens his fool mouth. "Ruin Porn" isn't a hobby north of the border for some very good reasons.

I'm not saying Canada doesn't have its share of problems, but seriously...

Eight Cities That Might Not Make a Comeback

Detroit's Beautiful, Horrible Decline

Ghetto America: East St. Louis

Camden, City of Ruins: Depressing Images of Once-Thriving Metropolis Reduced to Decaying, Crime-Ridden Rubble

New Orleans Lower 9th Ward

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw cinder blocks.
Also, keep in mind that Canada will most likely never experience the same types of problems on the same scale as the US. No where near as complex in my opinion, and the diversity is not on the same scale. We will have problems and issues that you just wont have to ever worry about. I personally never had an issue with Canada and hope to finally visit in the near future.
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Droo is more like an annoying little brother. I rather like him. We're distantly related, since his people drove my people out of the Netherlands 500 years ago.

It's just his Dutch sense of humour.
I'm brand new here but have already seen at least 20 posts by drro all slamming poor people/ghettoes/the US. At what point does it stop being humour and start being an unhealthy obsession?
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