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View Poll Results: Is Canada better without Quebec?
Yes, Canada is better off without Quebec 55 41.67%
No, Canada is better off with Quebec 77 58.33%
Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-24-2015, 12:19 AM
 
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My country is Québec, not Canada.

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Old 02-24-2015, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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That is the opinion of two young girls who are obviously federalists. It is very comon to say Quebec is my country, so when people fill out forms with province and country many times they will list the country as Quebec, even though it is tecjnically Canada. When you reflect on it, it tells you a lot that these two young girls feel a need to dispell the myth of Quebec being a country right off the bat. They really have a strong Quebec federalist style view and you may notice are quick to connect themself to the US and English Canada. It is not representative of Quebec as a whole.
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Old 02-24-2015, 06:28 AM
 
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England, Scotland and Wales are legally considered as "countries", which means that country does not necessarily mean independent country even though that's the usual meaning. Many people also call Palestine a country. I sometimes refer to Quebec as a country when I'm comparing or contrasting it with other countries; for example one can talk of bilateral relations between francophone countries like France, Quebec, Belgium, Senegal, etc. In this context it just means an autonomous political entity with a given territory.
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Old 02-24-2015, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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England, Scotland and Wales are legally considered as "countries", which means that country does not necessarily mean independent country even though that's the usual meaning. Many people also call Palestine a country. I sometimes refer to Quebec as a country when I'm comparing or contrasting it with other countries; for example one can talk of bilateral relations between francophone countries like France, Quebec, Belgium, Senegal, etc. In this context it just means an autonomous political entity with a given territory.
For some reason we've recently had some semantic gymnastics on here about Quebec not being a true "nation" until it, as some people seem to really want it to do and even push it into doing, declares independence.

You've just demonstrated that labels don't really matter.

Nation, country, autonomous region, state, province, subservient colonized region, pradesh, voivod, oblast, lander, Cloud City of Bespin... none of this matters as long as the set-up works for people on the ground.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I want to live in an anarcho-syndicalist commune. Where we take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting by simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs...
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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England, Scotland and Wales are legally considered as "countries", which means that country does not necessarily mean independent country even though that's the usual meaning. Many people also call Palestine a country. I sometimes refer to Quebec as a country when I'm comparing or contrasting it with other countries; for example one can talk of bilateral relations between francophone countries like France, Quebec, Belgium, Senegal, etc. In this context it just means an autonomous political entity with a given territory.
France, Belgium and Senegal are countries. None of the other places listed by you are countries. I have no problem acknowledging that your people constitute an ethnic nation, but Quebec is not a country. Vote for independence, separate from Canada, and then you'll have your country.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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For some reason we've recently had some semantic gymnastics on here about Quebec not being a true "nation" until it, as some people seem to really want it to do and even push it into doing, declares independence.

You've just demonstrated that labels don't really matter.

Nation, country, autonomous region, state, province, subservient colonized region, pradesh, voivod, oblast, lander, Cloud City of Bespin... none of this matters as long as the set-up works for people on the ground.
No, words do matter. To refer to Quebec as a country is completely incorrect at this point in time. Vote for independence, separate from Canada, and then you'll have your country.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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No, words do matter. To refer to Quebec as a country is completely incorrect at this point in time. Vote for independence, separate from Canada, and then you'll have your country.
I am not saying the contrary, although Quebec does have some characteristics that are "country-like".

But what about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland? I don't personally consider them countries regardless of what the semantics say. The country is the UK.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:52 AM
 
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I am not saying the contrary, although Quebec does have some characteristics that are "country-like".

But what about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland? I don't personally consider them countries regardless of what the semantics say. The country is the UK.
They're not countries either. The UK is undeniably a country. We're agreed about that.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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They're not countries either.
Just making sure we're remaining consistent!
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