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Old 02-23-2015, 05:33 AM
 
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It goes both ways. Some people also tend to view Quebecers as brave defenders of their culture that are the real Canadians, and Anglo-Canadians as oppressors and no more than frozen Yanks.

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I've never met any one with this attitude outside Quebec,
In my travels across Canada it seems no one cares about Quebec anymore and my travels in the USA usually culminates in a whats a Quebec when asked where i live.
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Old 02-23-2015, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I've never met any one with this attitude outside Quebec,
In my travels across Canada it seems no one cares about Quebec anymore and my travels in the USA usually culminates in a whats a Quebec when asked where i live.
I (and the others I assume) generally meant overseas.
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Old 02-23-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yeah, for the most part people outside Canada aren't hostile to me as a Quebecer. In fact, when I tell them I'm from Canada, they usually ask whether I'm from the "French part" or "English part", to which I explain that I'm from Quebec which is largely French-speaking, etc. My experience is mostly with people whose native language is neither French nor English.
I get the EXACT SAME question all the time.

When it comes to the whole "Quebec is French-speaking" thing, the reactions are rarely very negative, though some have a bit of surprise to them. At most, people see Quebec as quirky and eccentric, if also a bit anachronistic.

"You mean, you guys live where you live (thinks of a map of North America) and yet pretty much everything in everyday life takes place in French? Really? No waaay!"

Also common is:

"Cheers to you guys for sticking up for your identity!"

But... "Why don't you guys just speak English like everyone else?" is not something you typically hear. I've heard that exactly once from an outdoorsy type who ran a safari in the Australian outback.

Of course, some people are obviously being polite. They may think like this Aussie guy deep down but once they learn you're from "the French part" they'll keep it to themselves.

People will adjust the views they share according to their interlocutors. I am sure Anglo-Canadians hear some doozies about Quebec and French-speaking Canadians in general out there on the hustings.

Just as we hear a lot of things about Anglo-Canadians when people learn we are francophones from Quebec: exactly like Americans, bland and boring Americans, staid, reserved, passive aggressive, smug, cabezas cuadradas, etc.
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Old 02-23-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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Ha! Did you really hear somebody call anglophone Canadians that?

Something that I get once in a while, is that once I tell them that I'm from "the French part", they wonder if my native languages are French and English. And I tell them that no, French is my only native language, English I learned at school and later by living in proximity to English speakers. I guess a part of this comes from the fact that I am very fluent in English, to the extent that non-native speakers may not be able to tell that I'm also non-native.

Many people are interested in hearing a bit about how language dynamics work in a bilingual country such as Canada.
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Old 02-23-2015, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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I get the EXACT SAME question all the time.

When it comes to the whole "Quebec is French-speaking" thing, the reactions are rarely very negative, though some have a bit of surprise to them. At most, people see Quebec as quirky and eccentric, if also a bit anachronistic.

"You mean, you guys live where you live (thinks of a map of North America) and yet pretty much everything in everyday life takes place in French? Really? No waaay!"

Also common is:

"Cheers to you guys for sticking up for your identity!"

But... "Why don't you guys just speak English like everyone else?" is not something you typically hear. I've heard that exactly once from an outdoorsy type who ran a safari in the Australian outback.

Of course, some people are obviously being polite. They may think like this Aussie guy deep down but once they learn you're from "the French part" they'll keep it to themselves.

People will adjust the views they share according to their interlocutors. I am sure Anglo-Canadians hear some doozies about Quebec and French-speaking Canadians in general out there on the hustings.

Just as we hear a lot of things about Anglo-Canadians when people learn we are francophones from Quebec: exactly like Americans, bland and boring Americans, staid, reserved, passive aggressive, smug, cabezas cuadradas, etc.
Or you are an American in Quebec, and every other English Canadian you come across can't wait to tell you how bad Quebec is, how racist the Quebecois are, how backwards they are, and tell you their plans to get out of the province, all within 5 minutes of meeting them. It's probably not something they say to their francophone neighbors.
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Or you are an American in Quebec, and every other English Canadian you come across can't wait to tell you how bad Quebec is, how racist the Quebecois are, how backwards they are, and tell you their plans to get out of the province, all within 5 minutes of meeting them. It's probably not something they say to their francophone neighbors.
It's odd what people can say when they think they've run into someone who they expect to automatically be a "brother in arms".

On a somewhat related noted, in my youth I once tried to hit on a girl from Chicoutimi in a bar in Quebec City by saying some Québécois nationalistic stuff to her. As it turns out she was a hardcore Canadian federalist who was learning intensive English and couldn't wait to move to Toronto!

Life is full of surprises, what can I say...
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Or you are an American in Quebec, and every other English Canadian you come across can't wait to tell you how bad Quebec is, how racist the Quebecois are, how backwards they are, and tell you their plans to get out of the province, all within 5 minutes of meeting them. It's probably not something they say to their francophone neighbors.
Or you are a bilingual Canadian and they still do all of the above. Then minutes later a francophone starts talking to you about the English problem in Quebec.
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Ha! Did you really hear somebody call anglophone Canadians that?

Something that I get once in a while, is that once I tell them that I'm from "the French part", they wonder if my native languages are French and English. And I tell them that no, French is my only native language, English I learned at school and later by living in proximity to English speakers. I guess a part of this comes from the fact that I am very fluent in English, to the extent that non-native speakers may not be able to tell that I'm also non-native.

Many people are interested in hearing a bit about how language dynamics work in a bilingual country such as Canada.
Yes, many are confused and understandably so.

Some think French in Quebec is like Irish Gaelic in Ireland, or that Québécois are like Mexican Americans in their culture.

They don't get how all-encompassing it generally is.

The best comparisons I found are Belgium and Switzerland. Europeans at least can usually get that.
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Yes, many are confused and understandably so.

Some think French in Quebec is like Irish Gaelic in Ireland, or that Québécois are like Mexican Americans in their culture.

They don't get how all-encompassing it generally is.

The best comparisons I found are Belgium and Switzerland. Europeans at least can usually get that.
It is like Irish Gaelic and Mexican Americans. Until Quebec grows up, moves out of the parent's basement and becomes independent it will always be in this category. If you want people to look at you like a real nation, then act like one. Dont fault others for not seeing Quebec as anything other than a linguistic minority when this is what you reduce yourselves to.
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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It is like Irish Gaelic and Mexican Americans. Until Quebec grows up, moves out of the parent's basement and becomes independent it will always be in this category. If you want people to look at you like a real nation, then act like one. Dont fault others for not seeing Quebec as anything other than a linguistic minority when this is what you reduce yourselves to.
Naah, it's more like Switzerland and Belgium. Really. And you know it.
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