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Old 02-02-2015, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Remote? Hardly. Too cold to enjoy? Totally depends on what you enjoy. Australians practically run Whistler in the winter. They seem to enjoy that cold.
It is one thing to come for a week's holiday to a cold snowy place to enjoy skiing and sit by the fireplace, and another thing to live in that climate for 4 months of the year and shovel the snow out of the driveway in order to go to work. I would look forward to doing the former thing but would never want to get caught in the latter situation.

I guess when the Australians come to Whistler the Canadians go to Florida.
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Old 02-02-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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Australians practically run Whistler in the winter. They seem to enjoy that cold.


...and young Canadians run the water sports and resort activities in Queensland.....in both cases are kids on working holiday visas, not residing permanently....



To the OP...in your situation I would run south ASAP....a TN visa is a good way to get your foot in the door.....however the path to US permanent residency is a long and winding road....the earlier you start, the sooner you will get there.

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If you can get a job in America and stay out of debt, live moderately, keep your head out of the sand and not fall for the "living high on the hog" trap that most working Americans are stuck in then you should do okay. I'd suggest you ask your American friends about what kinds of debts they have incurred in order to enjoy the lifestyles that they're living right now. I'm thinking that probably not a single one of them has not incurred debts that they don't want to tell you about.

I do not see Canadians any less materialistic than Americans...simply they can afford less on average and there are less low/no interest "temptations" out there. I believe Canadians nowadays carry a higher debt load on average than Americans....

Staying out of debt is a generally a very good advice regardless on where you live.

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Old 02-02-2015, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley
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If you can get a job in America and stay out of debt, live moderately, keep your head out of the sand and not fall for the "living high on the hog" trap that most working Americans are stuck in then you should do okay. I'd suggest you ask your American friends about what kinds of debts they have incurred in order to enjoy the lifestyles that they're living right now. I'm thinking that probably not a single one of them has not incurred debts that they don't want to tell you about.

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I'm no so sure about that, you can get a VERY nice 3 bedroom, 2 bath house in Chandler AZ (which is basically Phoenix to most Canadians) for $240,000. I know as my friend has one for sale. After that EVERYTHING is way cheaper here (cars, food, restaurants, clothes, taxes). I love AZ and the COL here!

Waiters at Denny's even own their own homes.

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Old 02-02-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I'm no so sure about that, you can get a VERY nice 3 bedroom, 3 bath house in Chandler AZ (which is basically Phoenix to most Canadians) for $240,000. I know as my friend has one for sale. After that EVERYTHING is way cheaper here (cars, food, restaurants, clothes, taxes). I love AZ and the COL here!

Waiters at Denny's even own their own homes.
I'm constantly amazed at the statement that EVERYTHING is way cheaper here comments... Some things are cheaper, some things are much cheaper but in almost EVERY case a Canadian can find cheap options that are competitively priced (especially if the brand they are buying isn't 'labelled' from food to clothing there's cheap items to be found... Its just too easy to make such broad based statements to be honest..

The things I do find consistently cheaper by a decent margin in the U.S

Gas
Booze,
Cigs

Housing is another because Canadian R.E as a whole is very expensive (Though much better for paper wealth)...

Denny's Waiter own their own homes...? I think in a dual income situation.. A single Denny's Waiter affording even a bargain priced 240K house would be VERY difficult.. How are the health care costs for that Denny's Waiter if they get sick? If they get pregnant - do they get paid time off work with the baby and for how long?
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Old 02-02-2015, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley
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I'm constantly amazed at the statement that EVERYTHING is way cheaper here comments... Some things are cheaper, some things are much cheaper but in almost EVERY case a Canadian can find cheap options that are competitively priced (especially if the brand they are buying isn't 'labelled' from food to clothing there's cheap items to be found... Its just too easy to make such broad based statements to be honest..

The things I do find consistently cheaper by a decent margin in the U.S

Gas
Booze,
Cigs

Housing is another because Canadian R.E as a whole is very expensive (Though much better for paper wealth)...

Denny's Waiter own their own homes...? I think in a dual income situation.. A single Denny's Waiter affording even a bargain priced 240K house would be VERY difficult.. How are the health care costs for that Denny's Waiter if they get sick? If they get pregnant - do they get paid time off work with the baby and for how long?
I am Canadian and have lived both places, in Canada just in ON and BC though, but I cannot find cars for anywhere near the same price in Canada.

The Denny's waiter bought a not so nice house on some land in New River and he's almost paid it off, he probably only paid $60,000 but he has a home! That's my point, you can find inexpensive homes here if you can't afford an expensive one, that option isn't available in Canada at all.

I would love to find an inexpensive place to live in Canada that still has great amenities. I am single and already own a nice home in AZ, but I can't find one anywhere in Canada - if you have ideas, please do share (I mean this sincerely).

Friends of mine bought a nice 3 bedroom, 2 bath house (probably 1800 sq. ft.) in Cottonwood AZ on a cul de sac with a double car garage and a 1/2 acre lot for $125,000, it needed a tiny bit of fixing up and some landscaping but it had all new flooring and a renovated kitchen. I think they got it 100% financed VA loan, with the lowest interest rate you can imagine. Carrying it is 1/2 the cost of renting.

Food in Canada is double and in some cases triple what I pay here, I've even seen it quadruple (AZ has a low COL). Clothes are way cheaper, in fact every time my mom comes to visit she always gets some. Household items like curtains, rugs, lamps etc. are also WAY cheaper.

I'm sure there are some things that are cheaper in Canada but I can't think of them and I lived there 46 years.

We do have them beat in health care, IMHO, except I need to see specialist, in Canada, and the doc in BC just told me it could take up to 12 months to get in, here I can pay $250 and see him in 2 weeks...yes, it's money but when you're mortgage is so low you have some extra to spend. (BTW, I just got a CT scan and ultrasound done for $240 each - not too bad).

I have lived both places and I honestly feel that it's 2-4 times more expensive in Canada than it is in AZ. I'm also going to share that it's nice not to have to be so crammed in but I realize that in NY it's similar to TO.

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Old 02-02-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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Denny's Waiter own their own homes...? I think in a dual income situation.. A single Denny's Waiter affording even a bargain priced 240K house would be VERY difficult.. How are the health care costs for that Denny's Waiter if they get sick? If they get pregnant - do they get paid time off work with the baby and for how long?
I mentioned more than once a couple (both working in retail) that moved from Seattle to Atlanta making pretty much the same money (crappy wages anyway)....you won't believe what houses you can get for 150K in Georgia....and a nice weather to boot!!!


You can still find detached homes in Seattle proper (so no out there suburbs) for 100K or so...yes that's right....obviously crappy areas and needing some fixing but they are out there.....

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I'm constantly amazed at the statement that EVERYTHING is way cheaper here comments... Some things are cheaper, some things are much cheaper but in almost EVERY case a Canadian can find cheap options that are competitively priced (especially if the brand they are buying isn't 'labelled' from food to clothing there's cheap items to be found... Its just too easy to make such broad based statements to be honest..

There is another aspects...not only cheaper prices but more variety of shopping options in the US which I would throw into he mix.
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Old 02-02-2015, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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It is one thing to come for a week's holiday to a cold snowy place to enjoy skiing and sit by the fireplace, and another thing to live in that climate for 4 months of the year and shovel the snow out of the driveway in order to go to work. I would look forward to doing the former thing but would never want to get caught in the latter situation.

I guess when the Australians come to Whistler the Canadians go to Florida.
Actually many of those Australians come for on work visa's and stay for months, but I get what you mean.
Everyone loves a change of environment.
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Old 02-02-2015, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I am Canadian and have lived both places, in Canada just in ON and BC though, but I cannot find cars for anywhere near the same price in Canada.

The Denny's waiter bought a not so nice house on some land in New River and he's almost paid it off, he probably only paid $60,000 but he has a home! That's my point, you can find inexpensive homes here if you can't afford an expensive one, that option isn't available in Canada at all.

I would love to find an inexpensive place to live in Canada that still has great amenities. I am single and already own a nice home in AZ, but I can't find one anywhere in Canada - if you have ideas, please do share (I mean this sincerely).

Friends of mine bought a nice 3 bedroom, 2 bath house (probably 1800 sq. ft.) in Cottonwood AZ on a cul de sac with a double car garage and a 1/2 acre lot for $125,000, it needed a tiny bit of fixing up and some landscaping but it had all new flooring and a renovated kitchen. I think they got it 100% financed VA loan, with the lowest interest rate you can imagine. Carrying it is 1/2 the cost of renting.

Food in Canada is double and in some cases triple what I pay here, I've even seen it quadruple (AZ has a low COL). Clothes are way cheaper, in fact every time my mom comes to visit she always gets some. Household items like curtains, rugs, lamps etc. are also WAY cheaper.

I'm sure there are some things that are cheaper in Canada but I can't think of them and I lived there 46 years.

We do have them beat in health care, IMHO, except I need to see specialist, in Canada, and the doc in BC just told me it could take up to 12 months to get in, here I can pay $250 and see him in 2 weeks...yes, it's money but when you're mortgage is so low you have some extra to spend. (BTW, I just got a CT scan and ultrasound done for $240 each - not too bad).

I have lived both places and I honestly feel that it's 2-4 times more expensive in Canada than it is in AZ. I'm also going to share that it's nice not to have to be so crammed in but I realize that in NY it's similar to TO.
In terms of home ownership in Canada I would agree that its more expensive.. 60K home though - well ok lol... I know in Toronto the ability to get an affordable roof over your head actually is there - in terms of renting an apt! Not every roof over one's head needs to be in the form of home ownership!

Saying food and clothing is 2 to 4 times more expensive is a real tough sell for me tbh.. I'd really like to know where you shopped in Ontario and where you shop for clothing in the U.S...Please don't say a Tommy Hilfger or Guess store - just a generic place to put clothes on your back

How much is it for the following items where you are - answer honestly.. Don't go with anything special just average cost for

a can of tuna - a loaf of bread - 4 litres of milk - a dozen eggs... 2 litres of pop I'll respond with honest answers as well

Health care wait times - we gonna get into that really? Did you live in T.O? I've never had to wait that log for any type of med care.. My father from the diagnosis of his cancer to surgical removal of his tumour was two weeks.. How much does the average person pay for Health care month over month where you're from? Also as I said, how about paid mat/pat leave for a baby? Is this possible? Any other benefits in Canada you can be honest about that help to equalize overall life expense that favour Canada...

Price of a car - ok sure cheaper... i guess cheap is relative.. I pay 350 per month for my Hyundai Elantra so its not hurting me though I make good money.

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Old 02-02-2015, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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There is another aspects...not only cheaper prices but more variety of shopping options in the US which I would throw into he mix.
The only places in the U.S that would attract me in terms of overall urbanity/things to do and places i'd want to live are DAMNED expensive man.. lol.. No cheaper overall than the T.Dot.. Plus i already live large here... Great pay, 6 weeks paid vaca per year, company contributing the same that I do towards pension, 100 percent health/dental extended coverage ie prescriptions - unlimited massage/chiro/accupuncture and on top of that ZERO health care deductions (Yes i'm aware of Taxes but at least I know where I stand with the pay I get - its predictable...

I'll give you this - nicer weather in Arizona from Nov - Mar than Toronto and also cheaper labelled crap I don't need.. I don't smoke and my friends always buy me booze from around the world cheaply (I work at the Airport) so don't need cheaper American alcohol.

More choice of crap I don't need spending less for labelled goods I don't need that I can always get on occasional road trips to the U.S.. - Otherwise I'll just buy a pair of 10 dollar jeans from U.P and call it a day...

Speaking of which - I just bought a Tommy Hilfiger Sweater at the Dixie outlet mall for 10 bucks.. Ashamed to admit it but its true - lots of compliments on it at work.. Its orange lol.. Uggh ok I also bought a 7.50 each Puma BB cap and T-Shirt...
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Old 02-03-2015, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Verde Valley
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In terms of home ownership in Canada I would agree that its more expensive.. 60K home though - well ok lol... I know in Toronto the ability to get an affordable roof over your head actually is there - in terms of renting an apt! Not every roof over one's head needs to be in the form of home ownership!

Saying food and clothing is 2 to 4 times more expensive is a real tough sell for me tbh.. I'd really like to know where you shopped in Ontario and where you shop for clothing in the U.S...Please don't say a Tommy Hilfger or Guess store - just a generic place to put clothes on your back

How much is it for the following items where you are - answer honestly.. Don't go with anything special just average cost for

a can of tuna - a loaf of bread - 4 litres of milk - a dozen eggs... 2 litres of pop I'll respond with honest answers as well

Health care wait times - we gonna get into that really? Did you live in T.O? I've never had to wait that log for any type of med care.. My father from the diagnosis of his cancer to surgical removal of his tumour was two weeks.. How much does the average person pay for Health care month over month where you're from? Also as I said, how about paid mat/pat leave for a baby? Is this possible? Any other benefits in Canada you can be honest about that help to equalize overall life expense that favour Canada...

Price of a car - ok sure cheaper... i guess cheap is relative.. I pay 350 per month for my Hyundai Elantra so its not hurting me though I make good money.
The point I'm trying to make is that there are some surprisingly decent homes for VERY little money. Housing costs are outrageous in Canada, even a decent rental is above $1,000 which here would pay a mortgage on a VERY nice home.

I am from TO (I was 42 years there) and the item of clothing I used for comparison was Gap jeans, the ones I buy are $101+ in Canada and $29 here (exact same pair). For $17 I can usually get cute tops and jackets, actually I bought a really cute short sleeve t shirt for $7.50 last week. I'm very picky about clothes and mine are nice!

Healthcare is part of COL, in BC I pay $72/mo. and the service is crappy as far as I'm concerned. I didn't have as much trouble in ON with getting to specialists but the one I need to see is a rarity in Canada so up to 12 months is the deal - do I wish it was otherwise? Yes. And I will probably pay for one in AZ to avoid the wait.

Regarding prices I don't eat bread or drink milk but I'll see if I can find prices:
a can of tuna $2.22, or 10 cans of Starkist chunk white tuna for $7.38 or $2.98 for a 4 pack of .20 oz cans
a loaf of bread - couldn't find bread online but fresh baked dinner rolls were 12 for $1.99
4 litres of milk - milk is not sold by the liter here, $2.30 to $2.50/gallon
a dozen eggs can often be had for $2.00+, 18 packs of large eggs $3.99
2 litres of pop 4 cases of Pepsi are $8.88 so $2.22 a case of 12
avacados 2 for $1.00
strawberries .77cents
boneless chicken breast $1.77
large bag of grated cheese $2.99
sliced whole mushrooms $2.00
peanut butter $1.79
ritz crackers $1.67
mayo/miracle whip can be had for $2.49 for a decent size (about 2 cups or so)
cherry tomatoes $2.00
organic kale .99 cents
quart freezer bags, 35 count $3.12

I did not try to hit up the discount stores like Food City for these.

For $350 a month here you could probably be driving a MUCH nicer car than an Elantra, but it all depends on how much down and the length of the loan.
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