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Old 04-24-2015, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by Pyroninja42 View Post
That kind of attitude is exactly why Canada doesn't deserve Quebec.
There are attitudinal examples that go both ways (just like the sentiment there are two sides to a story) that would support such a notion.. Let's not focus our guns blindly at one side without looking at the other.. Fortunately in Canada - the majority on both sides are far more moderate than those who swing on the extreme side of the pendulum either way.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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The federal government should have control over who immigrates to Canada.
I.
This is highly debatable. Even for some anglophone provinces it would be beneficial to have them exercise more control over immigration.
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Old 04-25-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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This is highly debatable. Even for some anglophone provinces it would be beneficial to have them exercise more control over immigration.
I guess it comes down to whether one believes in having a strong central government making the rules and regulations on immigration or having 10 provinces all making their own rules and regulations on the issue of who gets to come to Canada., my opinion favors the strong central government making those kinds of decisions.AJ i'm sure you feel otherwise.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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This is an interesting discussion regarding centralization vs decentralization. Has any other Province other than Quebec pushed for a reform of the immigration laws in Canada favouring more power to the Provinces?
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Canada
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This is an interesting discussion regarding centralization vs decentralization. Has any other Province other than Quebec pushed for a reform of the immigration laws in Canada favouring more power to the Provinces?
Well, there's the provincial nominee program. It's been a huge boon for provinces like Manitoba that didn't previously receive many immigrants, but who are now getting a much larger share, to the benefit of Winnipeg. Pretty sure most of the Anglo provinces have these programs now and are happier for it, especially the smaller ones, as they're receiving attention from immigrants who might have only ever heard of the big 3 and not considered other provinces before.
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Old 04-25-2015, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Well, there's the provincial nominee program. It's been a huge boon for provinces like Manitoba that didn't previously receive many immigrants, but who are now getting a much larger share, to the benefit of Winnipeg. Pretty sure most of the Anglo provinces have these programs now and are happier for it, especially the smaller ones, as they're receiving attention from immigrants who might have only ever heard of the big 3 and not considered other provinces before.
Yes, Nova Scotia has also benefited and maybe other provinces as well. This is exactly what I was talking about.

I see no problem with provinces selecting their own immigrants with federal oversight limited to RCMP-CSIS security checks.
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Well, there's the provincial nominee program. It's been a huge boon for provinces like Manitoba that didn't previously receive many immigrants, but who are now getting a much larger share, to the benefit of Winnipeg. Pretty sure most of the Anglo provinces have these programs now and are happier for it, especially the smaller ones, as they're receiving attention from immigrants who might have only ever heard of the big 3 and not considered other provinces before.
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Yes, Nova Scotia has also benefited and maybe other provinces as well. This is exactly what I was talking about.

I see no problem with provinces selecting their own immigrants with federal oversight limited to RCMP-CSIS security checks.
What Manitoba and the other provinces do under a Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) is different from what Quebec does, though.

Quebec has exercised its Constitution s. 95 rights as to immigration. No other province has. A PNP merely recommends immigration candidates to the federal immigration officials; who ultimately make the decision whether to accept or reject the candidate. As Quebec has exercised its s. 95 rights. it is Quebec who ultimately makes the decision--not the feds.

Note that this is not a knock against Quebec--if it wishes to select the immigrants whom it feels will add to Quebec society, it certainly has the constitutional right to. But as no other province has elected to exercise its s. 95 rights, it is incorrect to say that other provinces control immigration into the province under s. 95 to the extent Quebec does.

Of course, once approved by Quebec and landed and cleared in Quebec, immigrants have the Charter s. 6 (2) right to move to anywhere in Canada that they please. Just as the ones Alberta selects under a PNP (and are cleared by the feds) have the same right to move to, say, Ontario. There is a fine legal distinction between what Quebec does under s. 95 and what the other provinces do, but there is a distinction nonetheless.

Just clearing up some misconceptions that (it seems to me) may arise from this discussion.
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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What Manitoba and the other provinces do under a Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) is different from what Quebec does, though.

Quebec has exercised its Constitution s. 95 rights as to immigration. No other province has. A PNP merely recommends immigration candidates to the federal immigration officials; who ultimately make the decision whether to accept or reject the candidate. As Quebec has exercised its s. 95 rights. it is Quebec who ultimately makes the decision--not the feds.

Note that this is not a knock against Quebec--if it wishes to select the immigrants whom it feels will add to Quebec society, it certainly has the constitutional right to. But as no other province has elected to exercise its s. 95 rights, it is incorrect to say that other provinces control immigration into the province under s. 95 to the extent Quebec does.

Of course, once approved by Quebec and landed and cleared in Quebec, immigrants have the Charter s. 6 (2) right to move to anywhere in Canada that they please. Just as the ones Alberta selects under a PNP (and are cleared by the feds) have the same right to move to, say, Ontario. There is a fine legal distinction between what Quebec does under s. 95 and what the other provinces do, but there is a distinction nonetheless.

Just clearing up some misconceptions that (it seems to me) may arise from this discussion.
Thanks for this. Quebec also has the Cullen-Couture agreement on immigration with the feds. I don't believe any other province has a similar bilateral agreement.

And as you point out - it's not necessarily a bad thing or inordinate that Quebec exercises *certain* powers over immigration differently.

The argument that its needs on this front are different from that of any other province can easily be made. (Especially in light of the history of immigration and how it was managed prior to the 1970s and even the 1980s.)
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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The difference is anglo Canada has no cultur or identity to speak of, and is entirely dependent on American trends and generosity. The fear of Americans is really just a childish jealousy. A deeply embedded feeling of inferiority. In Quebec there is no jealousy towards anglo Canada, a place that is typically viewed as the Americans who didn't make the cut. There is a difference between a debilitating inferiority complex and wanting to keep your culture distinct.
This post demonstrates you know absolutely nothing about anglo Canada, especially this line:

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In Quebec there is no jealousy towards anglo Canada, a place that is typically viewed as the Americans who didn't make the cut.
I mean seriously... You are a citizen of Canada and are this ignorant of its history?

Here's a link that should help you: United Empire Loyalist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I get that you are a troll and hate the ROC, but the legacy of the United Empire Loyalists has a strong presence in Quebec as well, as the link above illustrates. To ignorantly brand UELs as "Americans that didn't make the cut" is to brand Quebeckers as "Americans that didn't make the cut", seeing how the majority of UELs that left America settled there.

It would appear that the Quebec education system needs a very dramatic overhaul.
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Old 04-25-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Thanks for this. Quebec also has the Cullen-Couture agreement on immigration with the feds. I don't believe any other province has a similar bilateral agreement.

And as you point out - it's not necessarily a bad thing or inordinate that Quebec exercises *certain* powers over immigration differently.

The argument that its needs on this front are different from that of any other province can easily be made. (Especially in light of the history of immigration and how it was managed prior to the 1970s and even the 1980s.)
You're quite welcome, Acajack.

I'd add that should any other province wish to exercise its s. 95 rights, it would probably have to come up with something similar to the Cullen-Couture Agreement, just to put a finer point on things. It is one thing to have the constitutional right; it is another thing entirely to figure out how that right is to be exercised.
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