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Old 04-27-2015, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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No, he's just being deliberately obtuse so he can justify what are honestly pretty bigoted statements, (I mean fhonestly PBeau, I get that you have a political agenda you're trying to promote, but the things you say about an entire people are straight hateful and you'd chastise anyone from any ethnicity for saying similarly prejudiced things about another group). I was educated in Quebec, the UELs are part of the history of Quebec and Canada grade 10 curriculum, your average Quebecker is perfectly aware of them.
I mean, the term "Loyaliste" even exists in popular speech here, even if it's not always complimentary when used to describe someone.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Montreal
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This post demonstrates you know absolutely nothing about anglo Canada, especially this line:



I mean seriously... You are a citizen of Canada and are this ignorant of its history?

Here's a link that should help you: United Empire Loyalist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I get that you are a troll and hate the ROC, but the legacy of the United Empire Loyalists has a strong presence in Quebec as well, as the link above illustrates. To ignorantly brand UELs as "Americans that didn't make the cut" is to brand Quebeckers as "Americans that didn't make the cut", seeing how the majority of UELs that left America settled there.

It would appear that the Quebec education system needs a very dramatic overhaul.
I have spent half of my life in anglo Canada, graduated with my masters degree from an (anglo) Ontario university, and speak English impeccably. I know about anglo Canada as much as anyone.

The loyalists? They were cowards and traitors who sold out their people for their own personal profit. They rolled the dice and lost badly. They are hardly the kind of people who should be glorified. Besides most went back to the US, but that part is usually left out of revisionist myth making.
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I know about anglo Canada as much as anyone.
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Oh yeah, you have 'us' all figure out
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Old 05-07-2015, 01:05 AM
 
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I have spent half of my life in anglo Canada, graduated with my masters degree from an (anglo) Ontario university, and speak English impeccably. I know about anglo Canada as much as anyone.

The loyalists? They were cowards and traitors who sold out their people for their own personal profit. They rolled the dice and lost badly. They are hardly the kind of people who should be glorified. Besides most went back to the US, but that part is usually left out of revisionist myth making.
For those wondering about the Loyalists of whom you speak,
The Arrival of the Loyalists in Canada | Site for Language Management in Canada (SLMC)
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Old 06-24-2015, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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I have spent half of my life in anglo Canada, graduated with my masters degree from an (anglo) Ontario university, and speak English impeccably. I know about anglo Canada as much as anyone.

The loyalists? They were cowards and traitors who sold out their people for their own personal profit. They rolled the dice and lost badly. They are hardly the kind of people who should be glorified. Besides most went back to the US, but that part is usually left out of revisionist myth making.
On another notice, I do not think the loyalists are glorified so much in this day and age.
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Old 06-24-2015, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Ottawa
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On another notice, I do not think the loyalists are glorified so much in this day and age.
They should be glorified. The loyalists turned Canada from a French backwater into a modern first world country. The truth is that Canada is better off because of them.
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:07 AM
 
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I have spent half of my life in anglo Canada, graduated with my masters degree from an (anglo) Ontario university, and speak English impeccably. I know about anglo Canada as much as anyone.

The loyalists? They were cowards and traitors who sold out their people for their own personal profit. They rolled the dice and lost badly. They are hardly the kind of people who should be glorified. Besides most went back to the US, but that part is usually left out of revisionist myth making.
Whatever your views and opinions are of the Empire Loyalists i'm sure with your general attitude you'll be pleased to know that in the last 50-60 years the once large demographic of Empire Loyalists that populated Quebecs Eastern Townships and Chateauguay Valley are now all gone and the entire area has become almost entirely francophone. Current remnants of Empire Loyalists have died off or moved to the ROC and now remain just a forgotten foot note in Quebecs history.

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Old 06-25-2015, 06:54 PM
 
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They should be glorified. The loyalists turned Canada from a French backwater into a modern first world country. The truth is that Canada is better off because of them.
Ah. Such a funny boy!
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Old 06-26-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Virginia (From Sweden)
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Interesting stuff about the loyalists. Are the "loyalists" really celebrated as good in Canada? Weren't they traitors? From what I have read the loyalists were anti-democracy and anti-progressive. And if I understand this correctly, Canada was an entirely French colony, and then Americans are the ones who started English Canada? Doesn't that make English Canadians Americans? If this is the case why do so many English Canadians have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Americans, considering that they are by definition Americans? Forgive me, dumb Swedish guy here, but isn't this the case?
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Old 06-26-2015, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Interesting stuff about the loyalists. Are the "loyalists" really celebrated as good in Canada? Weren't they traitors? From what I have read the loyalists were anti-democracy and anti-progressive. And if I understand this correctly, Canada was an entirely French colony, and then Americans are the ones who started English Canada? Doesn't that make English Canadians Americans? If this is the case why do so many English Canadians have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Americans, considering that they are by definition Americans? Forgive me, dumb Swedish guy here, but isn't this the case?
Yes, in Canadian history the Loyalists were the "good guys", and generally seen as more level-headed, reasonable and responsible.

So it is true that modern-day English Canadian society has its roots in Americans who came north from the United States after the Revolution down there. Of course, many more people came directly from the British Isles and other parts of the world to join English Canadian society since that time. Only a small portion of the English speaking population of Canada today is descended from Loyalists.

The Loyalist history is not played up as much as it could be in Canada as Anglo Canada has in recent years been very keen on distancing itself from its British origins, in favour instead of a more multicultural national mythology.

Also, the Loyalist history gets mixed up in the minds of some Canadians given the preponderance of American popular culture in Canada. For example, Benedict Arnold is mentioned in a whole bunch of American stuff as the ultimate example of a traitor. But according to Canadian history he is a hero as he was a Loyalist.

I suspect that many Canadians who grew up on American popular culture would be a bit confused about him, and if you asked them a huge number would say he was a hero and not a traitor.
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