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Old 03-14-2015, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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When would ever be a good time if what you say is true - when Quebec no longer requires transfer payments? It is pretty silly logic if you ask me.. I don't won't Quebec to separate, but I must say that there is no good reason to frame one's view for or against based on 'getting' things from the R.O.C.. It would benefit any Province to simply have as strong an economic climate as possible within Canada or on its own.
You still don't get it, fusion2.
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Old 03-14-2015, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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You still don't get it, fusion2.
I think its the other way PBeauchamp - you don't get it! Quebec isn't the only Province getting transfer payments.. On a per cap basis it gets less in fed transfer money than 4 other Provinces.. I've said this to you many times and so have other posters and you never address that... As far as i'm concerned, as long as Quebec remains in Canada it should be treated like any other Province in terms of Fed transfers.. Getting Federal transfer payments shouldn't factor into a Quebecers choice to remain in Canada or not - that decision should be based on other factors.

So what don't I get - be specific...
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Old 03-14-2015, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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I think its the other way PBeauchamp - you don't get it! Quebec isn't the only Province getting transfer payments.. On a per cap basis it gets less in fed transfer money than 4 other Provinces.. I've said this to you many times and so have other posters and you never address that... As far as i'm concerned, as long as Quebec remains in Canada it should be treated like any other Province in terms of Fed transfers.. Getting Federal transfer payments shouldn't factor into a Quebecers choice to remain in Canada or not - that decision should be based on other factors.

So what don't I get - be specific...
I'm not sure what your fixation on transfer payments is. Can you explain that? Quebec receives a proportionate amount of transfer payments but you are trying to paint me as being a money grubber. I only want what most Quebecois want. For Canada to stop stalling and start giving us what we need to build our nation.
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I'm not sure what your fixation on transfer payments is. Can you explain that? Quebec receives a proportionate amount of transfer payments but you are trying to paint me as being a money grubber. I only want what most Quebecois want. For Canada to stop stalling and start giving us what we need to build our nation.
Ok well if you're not talking money than what are you talking about in terms of what Quebec should 'get' from the rest of Canada.. PBeauchamp - Quebec IS a part of Canada lol.. It has had a strong part in building the nation.. I understand there are cultural and linguistic differences but at the end of the day you're speaking about Quebec as if it was never a part of the growth of this nation.. I think that is patently false! As for Canada giving Quebec what it needs what exactly would that be? Quebecers need to figure out what direction they want to go with a clear majority.. So far that majority has decided to be within a united Canada unless there's something 9 other Provinces don't know about but we aren't going to sit here and try to figure out equivocation and confusion. Quebec needs to sort that out!!
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Ok well if you're not talking money than what are you talking about in terms of what Quebec should 'get' from the rest of Canada.. PBeauchamp - Quebec IS a part of Canada lol.. It has had a strong part in building the nation.. I understand there are cultural and linguistic differences but at the end of the day you're speaking about Quebec as if it was never a part of the growth of this nation.. I think that is patently false! As for Canada giving Quebec what it needs what exactly would that be? Quebecers need to figure out what direction they want to go with a clear majority.. So far that majority has decided to be within a united Canada unless there's something 9 other Provinces don't know something about but we aren't going to sit here and try to figure out equivocation and confusion.
Don't patronize me. You aren't saying anything I haven't heard from any other staunch Liberal party anglo voter. I know all of the tricks in the book.
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Don't patronize me. You aren't saying anything I haven't heard from any other staunch Liberal party anglo voter. I know all of the tricks in the book.
I'm not patronizing you - as I see it what I said makes perfectly good sense... Should I start involving you in drama about what Quebec needs to give Ontario for us to start our own nation.. Think about how ridiculous you sound.. If Quebec wants to become a nation than Quebecers need to step up to the plate with a clear majority and make that decision.. If Ontario wants to separate from the R.O.C than the onus would be for us to do the same.. It shouldn't be for Quebec or Alberta or PEI to try to figure it out for us and give us what we need - we need to figure that crap out!
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Why would any Quebecois trust you after all that you and your boys have done? I don't believe for a minute that you genuinely care for Quebec as anything other than being another token minority to bolster your faux-multicultural image.
Is not a matter of trusting me - its a matter of making a decision! Trust is either something that is there or it is not.. If the majority of Quebecers feel that it just isn't there and that it is in the interest of Quebec to be a separate nation than that is something that they need to do.. Its not something for me to figure out for them is it? Should Ontario or B.C expect Quebec to sort out what we want to do in terms of staying in the Federation or not - of course not!

Btw please don't send me personal messages!!
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:13 PM
 
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Is not a matter of trusting me - its a matter of making a decision! Trust is either something that is there or it is not.. If the majority of Quebecers feel that it just isn't there and that it is in the interest of Quebec to be a separate nation than that is something that they need to do.. Its not something for me to figure out for them is it? Should Ontario or B.C expect Quebec to sort out what we want to do in terms of staying in the Federation or not - of course not!

Btw please don't send me personal messages!!
Just keep in mind what I said about that spare room and a surfboard!
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Just keep in mind what I said about that spare room and a surfboard!
Ok Larry, you've got me tempted... and yes - love the new name
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Old 03-15-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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I'm not patronizing you - as I see it what I said makes perfectly good sense... Should I start involving you in drama about what Quebec needs to give Ontario for us to start our own nation.. Think about how ridiculous you sound.. If Quebec wants to become a nation than Quebecers need to step up to the plate with a clear majority and make that decision.. If Ontario wants to separate from the R.O.C than the onus would be for us to do the same.. It shouldn't be for Quebec or Alberta or PEI to try to figure it out for us and give us what we need - we need to figure that crap out!
Jeeez louise fusion, don't take away the drama......whining narcissists can't exist without it. They're addicted to gazing at the convex side of the personal shaving mirror, the one that makes them look larger than life.
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