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Old 02-16-2015, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Outer Boroughs, NYC
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@Zoisite: Most Canadians are going to ask if we are American -- sometimes sooner (noticing the accent) than later (friendships where personal questions do come up). Most any American will say yes, I'm American, just as Canadians living here in NYC always tell you they're originally from Vancouver or Regina or Winnipeg.

Unlike the OP, though, I understand that Canadians might resent America, which is a very populous and influential nation. The US often dominates front pages around the world like no other does (outside the newspaper's own country). As a Canadian poster mentions here, the CBC sends reporters to cover even minor US weather stories (and so do many European and Asian media, too). That creates lots of resentment, and not just from Canadians. Ask many Brits, French, and Australians about all the US coverage in their home countries.
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Old 02-16-2015, 05:51 PM
 
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Next question: why is the US allowed to set up its own customs checkpoint on Canadian soil at Toronto airport?
Same reason why they set it up in Dublin and Abu Dhabi, and I assume they'll get to do it in other places as well. I can only assume airlines like it too.
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Old 02-16-2015, 06:31 PM
 
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where would you rather be if denied entry is a possibility?

Whanna fly all the way to someplace and then be denied entry thereby occasioning a possible overnight hotel in the airport and pay-the-freight flight back home?
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Old 02-16-2015, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Next question: why is the US allowed to set up its own customs checkpoint on Canadian soil at Toronto airport?
It doesn't come without its challenges for an airport, but it does offer convenience, efficiency and as an attractive selling point for airlines to offer routes from Pre-cleared Canadian Airports to U.S one's because the passenger does not need to clear US CBP upon arrival.. It is actually easier to get slots into U.S airports if the flight from Canada is Pre-cleared since that airport isn't required to process them through CBP.. Additionally there are less curfew restrictions.. You seem almost offended by a Pre-clearance facility - an Embassy essentially would be the same thing.. Its not a bad thing lol..

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Old 02-16-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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It doesn't come without its challenges for an airport, but it does offer convenience, efficiency and as an attractive selling point for airlines to offer routes from Pre-cleared Canadian Airports to U.S one's because the passenger does not need to clear US CBP upon arrival.. It is actually easier to get slots into U.S airports if the flight from Canada is Pre-cleared since that airport isn't required to process them through CBP.. Additionally there are less curfew restrictions.. You seem almost offended by a Pre-clearance facility - an Embassy essentially would be the same thing.. Its not a bad thing lol..
Exactly. A flight originating in Canada that has been pre-cleared by US CBP can fly into American airports that do not typically have CBP facilities. Thus, you can fly Toronto-La Guardia, Toronto-Reagan National, and so on. Pre-cleared flights originating in Canada can also use gates normally used by US domestic flights at other airports--I've done this at SFO, LAX, and ORD, among others, and it is convenient! And, for the airlines, they don't have to pick up the tab for a return flight if the traveller is denied entrance to the US after arriving in the US.

It is important to note that Canada has not given up any sovereignity here. All the US CBP officers can do on Canadian soil is to clear the traveller for passage to the US, or not. US law does not apply in pre-clearance facilities, and the traveller retains all legal rights granted under the Canadian Charter in the pre-cleared area of the Canadian airport. If US CBP officers find something they shouldn't (e.g. illegal drugs), they must call local police, who will carry through with the laying of charges if necessary.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Exactly. A flight originating in Canada that has been pre-cleared by US CBP can fly into American airports that do not typically have CBP facilities. Thus, you can fly Toronto-La Guardia, Toronto-Reagan National, and so on. Pre-cleared flights originating in Canada can also use gates normally used by US domestic flights at other airports--I've done this at SFO, LAX, and ORD, among others, and it is convenient! And, for the airlines, they don't have to pick up the tab for a return flight if the traveller is denied entrance to the US after arriving in the US.

It is important to note that Canada has not given up any sovereignity here. All the US CBP officers can do on Canadian soil is to clear the traveller for passage to the US, or not. US law does not apply in pre-clearance facilities, and the traveller retains all legal rights granted under the Canadian Charter in the pre-cleared area of the Canadian airport. If US CBP officers find something they shouldn't (e.g. illegal drugs), they must call local police, who will carry through with the laying of charges if necessary.
Also,as I understand it, Canada has the right to do so in US airports, but just doesn't have the need.
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Very interesting. Thanks for the response.
It's also very generational. My nephews and nieces have vague notions of the old imperial measurements.

It should also be noted that we kept the imperial measure of pint, at least in B.C. when selling beer. That is a Canadian pint 20 oz, not a US pint, 16 oz.

Here you can see the mix use of imperial and metric.

"Draught beer: Draught beer may be served in single servings of no more than 24 oz (680 ml) or smaller servings of multiple brands, provided the total served at one time is no more than 24 oz (680 ml). (A Canadian pint is 20 oz or 568 ml.) Pitchers or other multiple serving containers shared by two or more patrons may contain no more than 1.5 litres of draught beer."
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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It is important to note that Canada has not given up any sovereignity here. All the US CBP officers can do on Canadian soil is to clear the traveller for passage to the US, or not. US law does not apply in pre-clearance facilities, and the traveller retains all legal rights granted under the Canadian Charter in the pre-cleared area of the Canadian airport. If US CBP officers find something they shouldn't (e.g. illegal drugs), they must call local police, who will carry through with the laying of charges if necessary.
Good point! In red I believe the Police they would need to call have a mandate from Transport Canada as an Airport such as Toronto and the other large airports are on federal land. Peel Regional Police has this mandate at YYZ but the Officers aren't just from a Police Dept in Brampton or Mississauga and are specially trained and stationed specifically at YYZ and within its grounds. This isn't really my forte though so if i'm wrong feel free to correct
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Old 02-18-2015, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Good point! In red I believe the Police they would need to call have a mandate from Transport Canada as an Airport such as Toronto and the other large airports are on federal land. Peel Regional Police has this mandate at YYZ but the Officers aren't just from a Police Dept in Brampton or Mississauga and are specially trained and stationed specifically at YYZ and within its grounds. This isn't really my forte though so if i'm wrong feel free to correct
No, you're correct. At one time, the RCMP handled policing duties at airports, but since the governance of Canadian airports was downloaded from Transport Canada to entities like the GTAA, local police fill the need. So Peel Regional PS fills the need at Pearson, Calgary PS fills the need in Calgary, and so on.
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Old 02-18-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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No, you're correct. At one time, the RCMP handled policing duties at airports, but since the governance of Canadian airports was downloaded from Transport Canada to entities like the GTAA, local police fill the need. So Peel Regional PS fills the need at Pearson, Calgary PS fills the need in Calgary, and so on.
...and in the case of Vancouver's International Airport it comes full circle back to the RCMP, since the airport is located in Richmond, and the local police is the RCMP.
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