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Old 04-08-2015, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I don't think there's any member of the Republican party that would even consider themselves remotely Monarchist. Canada has always been much more influenced in politics by regionalism than the US, where the main division until relatively recently has been north-south. Which ever party wants to gain power in Canada has to read from five or six different scripts (one for each region) yet always represent itself to media has having a unified national agenda. On the one hand this means that politics is always divisive and governance is always bogged down, on the other hand it's saved Canada from being taken over by radical ideologies (so far, at least). Trying to compare Canada's conservatives to the USA's conservatives isn't very realistic.
I didn't say EXACTLY like the Republican party. It is well documented some of the connections.

The Harper Government and the Republican Tea Party: Partners in the Revolution of the Night Watchman*|*Errol P. Mendes

Robo-calls: Tory MPs used top U.S. Republican firm during May election | Toronto Star

Montreal Simon: The Unfair Elections Act and the Republican Connection
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Old 04-08-2015, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I am looking forward to it too.

It's more than a union-busting tool (though I'm unsure how it would work that way; unions generally work under contracts that have been negotiated in accordance with labour standards legislation which is different from employment standards legislation). But if you are a non-unionized employee, it is more scary than that. In short a "right to work" law strips non-union employees of all rights they currently enjoy under Employment Standards Codes and Acts (as it would be a federal law, it would apply at the federal level, not provincially; see Constitution ss. 91-95 for what is federal jurisdiction and what is provincial jurisdiction).

For those unsure of what we're talking about, a "right to work" law allows an employer to fire you for any or no reason at all, and you do not get EI. It currently exists in (IIRC) 38 states of the USA.

That's pretty unfair, and balanced in favour of the employer (IMHO). This is why Canada and its provinces have enacted legislation that attempts to "level the playing field" in negotiations regarding hiring, rights and privileges during working hours, and upon dismissal. "Right to work" legislation would repeal all those requirements; at the federal level anyway.
It's a different " right to work " we are talking about. The name is a misnomer because it has nothing to do with the right to work. It means the " right not to pay or join a union in a union shop" and still get all the benefits of wages, benefits etc that members get.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/new...ing-agenda-job

The same type of misnomer Harper loves to use, " Fair Elections Act " This article touches on some of those misnomers.

Bill C-38: the Environmental Destruction Act | The Tyee

Of course this could lead to the union being slowly defunded. That's the whole point of the legislation.
It's regressive and benefits only the company's who want to be rid of a union.

Right-to-work: the anti-union laws now on the books in 25 states - Vox

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Old 04-08-2015, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Right to work means that you're permitted to work non-union in a union shop, and in fact there are no longer "closed shops".

Employment-at-will is the out the door for no reason at all catch phrase, but even that gets trumped in reality if your employer is of size and has specific employee policies.
D'oh! You're right, Mike. I guess I had a brain fart there, and got the concepts confused.
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Old 04-09-2015, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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D'oh! You're right, Mike. I guess I had a brain fart there, and got the concepts confused.
Been there, done that...
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Old 04-09-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I'm not a massive fanboy when it comes to Mulroney, but to call him the worst PM is a huge exaggeration in my opinion, especially when that a$$hole Trudeau went just before him.
John Napier Turner was "just before" Mulroney.
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How anyone can hold PET in high regard (and for the avoidance of doubt, I don't know if you do and I'm not implying you do, but many Mulroney haters do hold PET in completely uncritical high esteem) is beyond me. I'll give him some credit on the Charter, but that didn't go far enough in my opinion, and it left a few too many loopholes which politicians can use to trample on the rights of the citizenry. Charter aside, though, PET was a complete disaster on several important levels.
I think Harper has taken on the thankless job of undoing some of PET's wanton destruction. He has restored somewhat the identity of parts of the armed forces and tried to manage the immigration crisis PET triggered. And brought some return to fiscal sanity.

I actually think Harper ranks up there with the ranks of the relatively great, but then again that pantheon has few members. Let's see, maybe, Laurier, Macdonald?
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Old 04-10-2015, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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... I think Harper has taken on the thankless job of undoing some of PET's wanton destruction. He has restored somewhat the identity of parts of the armed forces ....
I have a few friends in the Canadian Forces. All of them are happy that Harper restored the traditional three branches of the military. One is very proud to be able to now call himself a Royal Canadian Navy member; another two are proud to be members of the Royal Canadian Air Force. They all hated the "Canadian Forces" (without the "Royal anything") moniker.

When I talk to these guys about this topic, what impresses me most is how they feel that they are part of a continuing line, a continuing tradition, if you will; of Canadian military--from the Boer War to the present; participating in WWI as British (but obviously Canadian at Vimy Ridge); and being Canada's own in WWII--the RCN escorted Atlantic convoys before the US got involved, Canadian flyers participated in the Battle of Britain; and later, would become the RCAF; the Army's PPCLI at Kapyong in the Korean War, and so on. Telling these guys, and those who came after, that they are no longer "Royal anything" and all are now members of the same force (seriously, you expect a sailor to believe that he is the equivalent of an airman and vice-versa?), and you've got a recipe to destroy morale. At least, according to my buddies who have served.

In short, the pride that my friends now have in serving as members of the RCN, the RCAF, and the Army is something to see. Having seen that in my friends. my own opinion is that this pride will translate into a better, more proud of themselves, and thus more effective, fighting force.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I have a few friends in the Canadian Forces. All of them are happy that Harper restored the traditional three branches of the military. One is very proud to be able to now call himself a Royal Canadian Navy member; another two are proud to be members of the Royal Canadian Air Force. They all hated the "Canadian Forces" (without the "Royal anything") moniker.

Canadian flyers participated in the Battle of Britain; and later, would become the RCAF;

In short, the pride that my friends now have in serving as members of the RCN, the RCAF, and the Army is something to see. Having seen that in my friends. my own opinion is that this pride will translate into a better, more proud of themselves, and thus more effective, fighting force.
I don't mean to threadjack, but seeing this comment I just had to post this picture of the RCAF livery that reflects the BoB Hurricanes as they celebrate the 75th Anniversary.

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Old 04-10-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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John Napier Turner was "just before" Mulroney.
I think Harper has taken on the thankless job of undoing some of PET's wanton destruction. He has restored somewhat the identity of parts of the armed forces and tried to manage the immigration crisis PET triggered. And brought some return to fiscal sanity.

I actually think Harper ranks up there with the ranks of the relatively great, but then again that pantheon has few members. Let's see, maybe, Laurier, Macdonald?
And Kim Campbell came between Mulroney and Chretien, yet no one ever mentions her. Do you know why? That's because both Turner and Campbell were appointed prime minister only because their respective parties elected them leader following the resignation of the then elected prime ministers and they acted in caretaker capacities until those same parties went down to ignominious defeat in the next election. Neither Turner nor Campbell are remembered because neither one of them carried their parties to victory in a general poll. Heck, Turner was in office for less than three months! They aren't considered anything more than caretaker prime ministers. Thank you very much for the history lesson all the same.

The armed forces thing, while being something about which members of the armed forces past and present tend to express strong feelings, isn't anything that consumes the thoughts of your average Conservative supporter. When the Conservatives careen down paths like that, I expect that they're trying to curry favour with microconstituencies. I guess added up, Harper hopes that doing enough small things to please these folks will be rewarded at the polls. It seems more than a little odd to me at times that they should be thought to be of any real significance at all, though, for these things don't excite the broader public. The Harper Conservatives have left me scratching my head on a few occasions when they decided to do things like the armed forces thing of which you speak or to make a big deal out of commemorating the War of 1812. Some of this might be to placate the sensibilities of people who hail from traditional loyalist strongholds, though. I've never understood those people and what excites them a great deal.

And what has Harper done to manage immigration? I'll admit that I'm no student of the system, what having been born Canadian and all, but I'm not aware of anything more than some incremental changes to and some minor tinkering with the immigration system since Harper took power. Did I miss something?

Canada has had very few truly great and transformative prime ministers, though. I agree with you about that.
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Old 04-10-2015, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I don't mean to threadjack, but seeing this comment I just had to post this picture of the RCAF livery that reflects the BoB Hurricanes as they celebrate the 75th Anniversary.
We have GREAT pilots.. They do awesome demo's too...


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