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Old 04-02-2015, 10:18 PM
 
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If I could offer a few thoughts ...

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"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value... It's not my job to give value to an American concept."
As I understand it, Freedom of Expression is one of the fundamental freedoms guaranteed by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, adopted in 1982 as part of our Constitution. When polled, Canadians by and large identify the Charter, along with health care, as one of the things they most value in our country. Before this we had a "Bill of Rights" which was passed in 1960 by a Progressive Conservative government, based on the notion of individual liberties, which has a long history originating in British liberal thought and influencing both U.S. and Canadian thought. But this was just a law, not a Constitutional provision. We seem to have protests pretty frequently where I live, although they may be smaller or not draw a lot of media attention, and I am also subject to more right-wing views amongst professional colleagues than I had expected. (For some reason, the conservatives seem more outspoken ...)
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:08 AM
 
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"Freedom Of Speech an American concept".

Hardly. They got the idea from others and most recently their oppressors:

399BC Socrates speaks to jury at his trial: 'If you offered to let me off this time on condition I am not any longer to speak my mind... I should say to you, "Men of Athens, I shall obey the Gods rather than you."'

1215 Magna Carta, wrung from the unwilling King John by his rebellious barons, is signed. It will later be regarded as the cornerstone of liberty in England.

1516 The Education of a Christian Prince by Erasmus. 'In a free state, tongues too should be free.'

1633 Galileo Galilei hauled before the Inquisition after claiming the sun does not revolve around the earth.

1644 'Areopagitica', a pamphlet by the poet John Milton, argues against restrictions of freedom of the press. 'He who destroys a good book, kills reason itself.'

1689 Bill of Rights grants 'freedom of speech in Parliament' after James II is overthrown and William and Mary installed as co-rulers.

1770 Voltaire writes in a letter: 'Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.'

1789 'The Declaration of the Rights of Man', a fundamental document of the French Revolution, provides for freedom of speech .

1791 The First Amendment of the US Bill of Rights guarantees five freedoms: of religion, speech, the press and the right to assemble, and the right to apply to the government for redress of grievances.

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Old 04-03-2015, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Ottawa
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This I agree with.
Wow you must not know Canada very well then since you aren't bilingual.
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Old 04-03-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Wow you must not know Canada very well then since you aren't bilingual.
No but my family and friends are. So I get the Quebec perspective from them.
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Ottawa
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No but my family and friends are. So I get the Quebec perspective from them.
Wow sounds like a foolproof method!
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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Wow sounds like a foolproof method!
Mastering the concept of patronizing and arrogant condescension to add to your resume, are you? By the by; what's with all the emotive "wows"?
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Nation du Québec
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I always find it funny when a unilignual anglo tells me they know all about Québec. Can't we just stop pretending? They care more about American Idol. Even British Idol more than Québec. If you receive news from another person that is not exactly reliable. 97% of anglo Canadians the exception is a some in New Brunswick and Ottawa and an extravagant educated minority are entirely foreign and condescending. It is 2015 and condascendings should no longer have the dominator refliex (babyblue1987 natnasci Brusan).
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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I always find it funny when a unilignual anglo tells me they know all about Québec. Can't we just stop pretending? They care more about American Idol. Even British Idol more than Québec. If you receive news from another person that is not exactly reliable. 97% of anglo Canadians the exception is a some in New Brunswick and Ottawa and an extravagant educated minority are entirely foreign and condescending. It is 2015 and condascendings should no longer have the dominator refliex (babyblue1987 natnasci Brusan).
No such show as British Idol... If you are referring to Britain's Got Talent then yes.
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Old 04-03-2015, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I always find it funny when a unilignual anglo tells me they know all about Québec. Can't we just stop pretending? They care more about American Idol. Even British Idol more than Québec. If you receive news from another person that is not exactly reliable. 97% of anglo Canadians the exception is a some in New Brunswick and Ottawa and an extravagant educated minority are entirely foreign and condescending. It is 2015 and condascendings should no longer have the dominator refliex (babyblue1987 natnasci Brusan).
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Wow sounds like a foolproof method!
Foolproof? No. Better than nothing? Yes.

My family is FROM Quebec, since 1644. My friends LIVE in Quebec. I get a pretty good picture and various viewpoints from them.

Brusan, pegged it though. You're being quite arrogant.
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