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The thing that stood out about this Pizza story, was the guy saying he chose to be heterosexual. ???
Ignorant people say and do ignorant things.
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Originally Posted by Natnasci
Also who the heck has pizza at a wedding???
That one I can understand. It would be appropriate for poor people who can't afford a big expensive wedding dinner with all the bells and whistles. It's better than nothing. I think it's pretty common with poor redneck or hillbilly type weddings to serve pizza along with other things like hot dogs, hamburgers, the kinds of less elaborate and inexpensive things that would be served at a picnic or backyard BBQ. Might go hand in hand with a tail-gate wedding in a corn field, or in the parking lot of a Walmart or football stadium or in a fast food outlet or pizza parlour. I've seen news articles about lots of those kinds of weddings happening. Pizza would fit right in, served on napkins or cheap paper plates .... it gets delivered hot and there isn't a lot of cleaning up for them to attend to later.
That one I can understand. It would be appropriate for poor people who can't afford a big expensive wedding dinner with all the bells and whistles. It's better than nothing. I think it's pretty common with poor redneck or hillbilly type weddings to serve pizza along with other things like hot dogs, hamburgers, the kinds of less elaborate and inexpensive things that would be served at a picnic or backyard BBQ. Might go hand in hand with a tail-gate wedding in a corn field, or in the parking lot of a Walmart or football stadium or in a fast food outlet or pizza parlour. I've seen news articles about lots of those kinds of weddings happening. Pizza would fit right in, served on napkins or cheap paper plates .... it gets delivered hot and there isn't a lot of cleaning up for them to attend to later.
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I feel stupid. I never thought about poor people serving pizza.
Must be careful here, folks. The Constitution and Charter only provide protection of one's rights against the government, or government agencies. They don't apply to interactions between individuals, companies, or individuals and companies. For those, we use either the Canadian human rights legislation or the applicable provincial human rights legislation.
The answer to Mouldy's question is "Yes, businesses have a right to refuse service. But they cannot refuse on the basis of a protected ground under the appropriate human rights legislation." Thus, the following would be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: I'm sorry, we can't. We have so many orders for Saturday that we will have a hard time filling them.
The above kind of refusal is reasonable, and is OK. But the following would not be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: No. Homosexuality is an abhorrent practice, and it goes against God's word. We won't deal with gay wedding cakes.
See the difference?
I have no doubt that the first kind of refusal (the OK one) is a convenient excuse if a business just doesn't want to deal with someone for any reason, including discriminatory ones; and I have had more than a few would-be clients approach me with a story that usually begins with, "They discriminated against me because I'm black/Jewish/gay/whatever." However, if all that we have to go on is a reasonable refusal, such as the above; and the "feeling" that discrimination occurred on the part of the would-be client, we cannot do much. The difficulty lies in proving it.
Must be careful here, folks. The Constitution and Charter only provide protection of one's rights against the government, or government agencies. They don't apply to interactions between individuals, companies, or individuals and companies. For those, we use either the Canadian human rights legislation or the applicable provincial human rights legislation.
The answer to Mouldy's question is "Yes, businesses have a right to refuse service. But they cannot refuse on the basis of a protected ground under the appropriate human rights legislation." Thus, the following would be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: I'm sorry, we can't. We have so many orders for Saturday that we will have a hard time filling them.
The above kind of refusal is reasonable, and is OK. But the following would not be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: No. Homosexuality is an abhorrent practice, and it goes against God's word. We won't deal with gay wedding cakes.
See the difference?
I have no doubt that the first kind of refusal (the OK one) is a convenient excuse if a business just doesn't want to deal with someone for any reason, including discriminatory ones; and I have had more than a few would-be clients approach me with a story that usually begins with, "They discriminated against me because I'm black/Jewish/gay/whatever." However, if all that we have to go on is a reasonable refusal, such as the above; and the "feeling" that discrimination occurred on the part of the would-be client, we cannot do much. The difficulty lies in proving it.
Chevy, once again you manage to illustrate an issue for complete understanding. Kudos.
Must be careful here, folks. The Constitution and Charter only provide protection of one's rights against the government, or government agencies. They don't apply to interactions between individuals, companies, or individuals and companies. For those, we use either the Canadian human rights legislation or the applicable provincial human rights legislation.
The answer to Mouldy's question is "Yes, businesses have a right to refuse service. But they cannot refuse on the basis of a protected ground under the appropriate human rights legislation." Thus, the following would be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: I'm sorry, we can't. We have so many orders for Saturday that we will have a hard time filling them.
The above kind of refusal is reasonable, and is OK. But the following would not be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: No. Homosexuality is an abhorrent practice, and it goes against God's word. We won't deal with gay wedding cakes.
See the difference?
I have no doubt that the first kind of refusal (the OK one) is a convenient excuse if a business just doesn't want to deal with someone for any reason, including discriminatory ones; and I have had more than a few would-be clients approach me with a story that usually begins with, "They discriminated against me because I'm black/Jewish/gay/whatever." However, if all that we have to go on is a reasonable refusal, such as the above; and the "feeling" that discrimination occurred on the part of the would-be client, we cannot do much. The difficulty lies in proving it.
Awesome. I wanted to know the answer to this legal question and you explained it beautifully.
Must be careful here, folks. The Constitution and Charter only provide protection of one's rights against the government, or government agencies. They don't apply to interactions between individuals, companies, or individuals and companies. For those, we use either the Canadian human rights legislation or the applicable provincial human rights legislation.
The answer to Mouldy's question is "Yes, businesses have a right to refuse service. But they cannot refuse on the basis of a protected ground under the appropriate human rights legislation." Thus, the following would be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: I'm sorry, we can't. We have so many orders for Saturday that we will have a hard time filling them.
The above kind of refusal is reasonable, and is OK. But the following would not be OK:
Customer: Can you bake a wedding cake for my gay wedding on Saturday?
Baker: No. Homosexuality is an abhorrent practice, and it goes against God's word. We won't deal with gay wedding cakes.
See the difference?
I have no doubt that the first kind of refusal (the OK one) is a convenient excuse if a business just doesn't want to deal with someone for any reason, including discriminatory ones; and I have had more than a few would-be clients approach me with a story that usually begins with, "They discriminated against me because I'm black/Jewish/gay/whatever." However, if all that we have to go on is a reasonable refusal, such as the above; and the "feeling" that discrimination occurred on the part of the would-be client, we cannot do much. The difficulty lies in proving it.
Thanks for clarifying. That's why we love you Chevy, you add a lot to these forums. ( even if you don't like CBC Radio ) LOL
Ya, the older I get, the more " generational " it gets.
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