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Old 06-15-2015, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Old 06-16-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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I'm not at all saying it has to be moralistic or even based on any form of commitment.

My point is that sex is a major part BUT only one part of understanding human sexuality. Human sexuality does not start and finish with a quickie. To omit the emotional aspects of what most people feel when having sexual relations is nieve at best and offensive at worse.

Asexual people's sexuality may be only emotional and have no sexually intercourse at all. Many extremely disabled people are in the same situation. Understanding respect of other people beliefs innately requires an emotional understanding of their situation.

If all we want out of sex education is the sexual intercourse part then we might as well rent the kids a porno. They will find out what goes where and that will be the end of it.

We are sexual beings but we are also intelligent, emotional, and spiritual ones and the students need to understand all those 4 aspects in order to understand what healthy sexuality is.
sex is a purely physical thing. It really has little to do with "love".

Plenty of people have sex without being in love, only because they need the physical sex. And plenty of people love each other and don't have sex. I am sure in this world more sex happens when there is no love and any spiritual things happening than otherwise.

The right education should teach people that sex should be separate from love. People always make the mistake of believing you should only have sex with those you love.

You know why marriage is difficult and divorce rate is high? because most marriages attempts to achieve three things

1) good sex life
2) love or spiritual connection
3) live together harmoniously, often involving raising a kid.

When you try to have all these in a marriage, with one single person for 40-50 years, the success rate is very low. This is why most marriages are bad ones, because it is often capable of accomplishing one of the three goals. People should know what they need from day 1, and stop mixing these together trying to have all of them with one single person. It is almost bound to fail.
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:22 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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You guys don't seem to get my gist.

I am not being moralistic in the slightest nor am I nave. Having sex while not married or have several and not knowing even their names is irrelevant to me and part of our society. I also know the curriculum is more based on what a teacher should respond to and how to do it. I know there will be no live lessons.

I just think that if this is a Sex Education program then it shouldn't be taught at any level. The kids will figure the sex part out fast enough. They can still teach the kids about good & bad touching, what consent is etc without it being in a sex education class.

I guess I have never really been comfortable with sex education..........I've always thought of it as limiting, degrading, and incredibly nave. Sex education is very limiting by it's very definition..........it's nothing but sex ed. In other words what goes where and why.

Human sexuality on the other hand is more encompassing and takes in all the facets of sexuality..........emotional, physical, spiritual, social, and psychological, This idea that sex is strictly an exchange of fluids in complete isolation of all those other things is lunacy.

I would want my child learning about healthy sexuality in all it's forms starting in early primary school but wouldn't want strictly sex ed taught to my kids in any grade level. I wouldn't my child to learn that sex is no more personal than a math equation.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:45 AM
 
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You guys don't seem to get my gist.

I am not being moralistic in the slightest nor am I nave. Having sex while not married or have several and not knowing even their names is irrelevant to me and part of our society. I also know the curriculum is more based on what a teacher should respond to and how to do it. I know there will be no live lessons.

I just think that if this is a Sex Education program then it shouldn't be taught at any level. The kids will figure the sex part out fast enough. They can still teach the kids about good & bad touching, what consent is etc without it being in a sex education class.

I guess I have never really been comfortable with sex education..........I've always thought of it as limiting, degrading, and incredibly nave. Sex education is very limiting by it's very definition..........it's nothing but sex ed. In other words what goes where and why.

Human sexuality on the other hand is more encompassing and takes in all the facets of sexuality..........emotional, physical, spiritual, social, and psychological, This idea that sex is strictly an exchange of fluids in complete isolation of all those other things is lunacy.

I would want my child learning about healthy sexuality in all it's forms starting in early primary school but wouldn't want strictly sex ed taught to my kids in any grade level. I wouldn't my child to learn that sex is no more personal than a math equation.
Again you are making assumptions here based on your own interpretations and personal experiences, and in no way represents how other people see sex.

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This idea that sex is strictly an exchange of fluids in complete isolation of all those other things is lunacy.
No one said sex is "strictly" an exchange of fluids - you are making that assumption. It can encompass many other personal feelings, attachments, orientations, fetishes, etc. But at the very basic level, it IS in fact an exchange of fluids that can bring immediate physical pleasure.

And once again, have you actually read the new curriculum? It has over 290 pages of information on the healthy sexual relations, consent, healthy and positive emotional development between young adults, and many many other content. Once again, here is the actual document, please take some time to read: http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curricu...health1to8.pdf

I don't know in which era you last had a sex ed class when you were in high school, but I remember my sex ed class was overall an enjoyable experience. It was an open environment where we talked as a group of students about what we think is sex, about relationships, about disease prevention, and exchange stories and experiences about maintaining healthy and positive relationships. The best part was that it was an open exchange, almost like a discussion forum, where we would together analyze various personal relationship situations. The atmosphere was fun and lighthearted, with lots of laughter and fun activities in between, and I remember many of my classmates finally got a chance to hear others talk about things that we were all experiencing and feeling curious about.
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Old 06-22-2015, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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No, transgender is NOT a sexual orientation - it is the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex.
Actually, there is plenty of evidence that transgender is a mental illness along the same lines as that whack-job "transracialist" Rachel Dolezal. If you are going to validate a concept as absurd as a "woman" trapped in a man's body then you better be prepared to equally defend claims of being a black man trapped in a white man's body.
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Old 06-22-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Actually, there is plenty of evidence that transgender is a mental illness along the same lines as that whack-job "transracialist" Rachel Dolezal. If you are going to validate a concept as absurd as a "woman" trapped in a man's body then you better be prepared to equally defend claims of being a black man trapped in a white man's body.
Why don't you do us a favor and cite that evidence? Which scientific or academic research journal is it from? What is the research thesis prompt, the sample size, and the peer-review studies supporting this conclusion?
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Old 06-22-2015, 02:15 PM
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 10:18 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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But bostonkid123 you are also making assumptions saying that sex can bring immediate sexual pleasure.

For the majority that is true but many women find sex quite painful and many men become anxious due to their ability to perform. Asexual people have no desire to have sex at all.
Sex can be wonderful but for many it can also be very anxiety provoking and stressful due to not wanting any form of sex, performance anxiety, or the pressure to even engage in sex.
Does this mean these people are excluded form sex ed or are they suppose to be quiet because "everybody loves sex".

If sex was devoid of any form of intimacy, social constraints, psychological effects then people would have sex anywhere or anytime but they don't. Sex does not, nor evil will, be something done in isolation so neither should sex ed. That means a discourse on healthy sexuality in all it's forms and not just sex. Sex is but a part of sexuality and she be taught as such.
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Old 06-24-2015, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Sex Ed is degrading? Lol.
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Old 06-24-2015, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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All that spiritual, emotional, and psychological fulfilment around sex and relationships is just biology. Genes want to reproduce, so your hormones and emotions are manipulated to accomplish that goal.

All the feelings of love and lust are just your brain on hormones. There is nothing mystical or spiritual about it, other than what we invent.

This is why sex is usually hot and heavy during courtship of a potential mate, then it (generally) drops considerably after marriage and kids. Mission accomplished, the genes cool their jets.

What had been passionate love gradually gives way to a mutually-beneficial partnership, based more on friendship and companionship.
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