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Old 05-07-2015, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The problem is many parents simply don't deal with the the multitude of issues that surround youth.. Many just sweep things under the rug and hope for the best.. Not quite good enough and I think its great that we have a curriculum that will expose youth to more than just reading, writing and arithmetic and tackle some of the more complex issues that can impact their own lives. We need more open minded people in society, not the other way around.
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I thought it was a well thought out post from Bimbam as well and much of that is true. At the same time it is no excuse and people who refuse to challenge themselves are cowards and defaulting to homophobia is a very weak way to develop as a human being.
I absolutely agree with you both, this is the sort of attitude I expect of an emotionally mature adult, and, heck, well brought up children as well. Homophobia is ignorant, cruel, and unenlightened. As much as I partially blame the sorts of circumstances that make it easier for someone to end up that way, I by no means am willing to let individual people off the hook for not finding it within themselves to be more. We are people, and we've all better natures we could be choosing to listen to.

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Oh I agree and understand what Bimbam was saying - his posts are always insightful, well thought out and resonate in a way that makes sense.. This one was no different! I'll stick by what i said however that some of our harshest critics have latent homosexual desires and are ashamed of it but he's absolutely right its very complicated.

In any event you are right on, whatever the reason(s) - its just no excuse and we all need to challenge ourselves and go outside that 'comfort' zone.
I take this as a massive compliment. Thank you.
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:57 AM
 
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Given the photos of protesters, one has to wonder if the parents were educated in the Canadian school system. If they were, it's surprising that they oppose the curriculum. Sex-ed was introduced in Grade 4 (aged 9) in the 1960s, and no one seems to have suffered from having sex-ed information at that age. If the majority of protesters were not educated in the Canadian schools, should Canadian practices be changed because newcomers don't like how things are done? I don't think so.
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Old 05-09-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I take this as a massive compliment. Thank you.
Well - it is absolutely true!! You are the understated voice of reason in these forums!!
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Old 05-09-2015, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Rob Ford, who famously said that only homosexuals and junkies need to worry about HIV is now weighing in.

Oh please, enlighten us!

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Ford says he's against the provincial Liberals' revised sex-ed plan because he has two kids in Grade 2 and Grade 4 who "should not be talking about what anal sex is" or what oral sex entails.

According to the new curriculum, however, kids will be in Grade 7 and 8 before they discuss anal and oral sex, as well as contraception, preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

"It's for the parents to teach them about that at the appropriate time. But not at Grade 2 or Grade 4," he said. "They should be teaching how to read and write, arithmetics."
The ignorance is strong with this one. Maybe he should learn how to read.

Have any of these protesters actually read the new curriculum? From the interviews I'm seeing, they sure haven't.
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Old 05-09-2015, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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Yup, their going to just learn from Porn. Then they are going to be really disappointed when they realize it is super difficult to give a woman that many orgasms.
No it's not, you just gotta use your fingers more.
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:32 AM
 
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Well - it is absolutely true!! You are the understated voice of reason in these forums!!
What does the understated voice of reason mean?
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Old 05-10-2015, 12:36 AM
 
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Rob Ford, who famously said that only homosexuals and junkies need to worry about HIV is now weighing in.

Oh please, enlighten us!

*Ford says he's against the provincial Liberals' revised sex-ed plan because he has two kids in Grade 2 and Grade 4 who "should not be talking about what anal sex is" or what oral sex entails.

According to the new curriculum, however, kids will be in Grade 7 and 8 before they discuss anal and oral sex, as well as contraception, preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

"It's for the parents to teach them about that at the appropriate time. But not at Grade 2 or Grade 4," he said. "They should be teaching how to read and write, arithmetics."

The ignorance is strong with this one. Maybe he should learn how to read.

Have any of these protesters actually read the new curriculum? From the interviews I'm seeing, they sure haven't.
I would agree. Sex ed in the 1960s was very tame. If today's version of sex ed involes porn/masturbation imagery, and gay anal sex, this is not normal.

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Old 05-10-2015, 12:57 AM
 
Location: BC Canada
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Whether the parents want their children to learn about sex or at what age is completely irrelevant. Sex is all over and any kid can look it up on any porn site. It is no longer a debate about what you do or do not want your kids to learn but rather where you want them to learn it.

Kids will learn about sex at a very early age due to the internet so the real question is not whether the kids should learn about sex because they can do that anytime they like. The real issue is where and from whom are they going to learn it.............a teacher in a classroom or from an internet porn site.

These mostly ethnic parents live in this "don't ask don't tell" fairyland. They have this idea that their kids won't look at porn because they are good Hindus, Christians, Muslims etc and certainly never the girls due to many of their sexist views.

This curriculum is not trend setting but rather just trying to keep up with technology before the kids start equating porn with healthy sexuality.
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Old 05-10-2015, 01:29 AM
 
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Whether the parents want their children to learn about sex or at what age is completely irrelevant. Sex is all over and any kid can look it up on any porn site. It is no longer a debate about what you do or do not want your kids to learn but rather where you want them to learn it.

Kids will learn about sex at a very early age due to the internet so the real question is not whether the kids should learn about sex because they can do that anytime they like. The real issue is where and from whom are they going to learn it.............a teacher in a classroom or from an internet porn site.

These mostly ethnic parents live in this "don't ask don't tell" fairyland. They have this idea that their kids won't look at porn because they are good Hindus, Christians, Muslims etc and certainly never the girls due to many of their sexist views.

This curriculum is not trend setting but rather just trying to keep up with technology before the kids start equating porn with healthy sexuality.
I don't think the point is whether someone can locate sexual imagery through electronics at the age of 9 if that is the objective. That is possible. The question is: at what age should children be exposed to adult interpretations of sexual activity, and how should that information be presented. It seems that Ontario is messed up, as are their constituents. Everyone is acting totally weird in relation to sex education in the schools.

Do children become interested in porn because they learn about it at school, or can they set porn aside and find other interests?
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Old 05-10-2015, 02:51 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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What does the understated voice of reason mean?
Bimbam isn't always engaging in back and forth posts left, right and centre but when he does post they are very insightful, nuanced, balanced and well thought out. He is a reasonable man and makes sound arguments.
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