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Old 06-09-2015, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Awww netwit. I never would have guessed!
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Old 06-09-2015, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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What can I say? You're too fun to tease!
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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If you want to turn this into the usual liberal-conservative petty debates, then be my guest. I moved here from Boston, don't care in the slightest bit the petty partisan feuds here as we already have more than enough of those south of the border.

Also, a simple research of recent Canadian immigration policy tells me that, it's the current federal Conservative government, not Liberals or NDP, that most recently raised the number of Permanent Resident quotas for FY16 to 250,000. It's the federal Conservative government with a clear majority in parliament that's been setting the immigration quotas for Canada for the past NINE years. Too many immigrants from places you don't like? Tell that to the Chris Alexander, Minister of Immigration and Citizenship, appointed by Conservative PM Stephen Harper. So I'm a bit perplexed as to how exactly do liberals come into play here when setting Canada's immigration agenda, when the seat of Federal Minister of Immigration and Citizenship has been held by year after year by Conservative MPs since February 2006?
WHOOSH! I wasn't talking about political parties. I'm talking about leftists that think multiculturalism is always wonderful. Sometimes it's great, but sometimes it's not a net benefit. Everyone believes in immigration (well maybe not the natives/first nations). Left wingers put emphasis on the idea that all cultures are equal while right wingers believe that some types of immigrant cultures are more equal than others (or something like that).
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Old 06-10-2015, 02:04 AM
 
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No matter how you want to qualify it, you're being racist.

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A quick look at the demographics of those who are protesting the sex-ed reform, and you'll have a pretty good idea why the reform is a good idea. I'm by no means discriminating against these other ethnic groups or immigrants (I am an ethnic minority myself), but if you come here as a recent immigrant, you need to integrate or at the very least be tolerant of your host country's customs and values, not the other way round. Why are they protesting? Because their traditional views of sexuality, sexual liberation, and gender roles - most likely shaped within their home countries' cultures before immigrating to Canada - are being confronted and challenged head on by the new sexual education curriculum.
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Old 06-10-2015, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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No matter how you want to qualify it, you're being racist.
Not so sure about that. He is making an observation based on public behaviour.

And also "immigrants" is not a race.

It may be provocative in the I'm OK You're OK We're OK kool aid infused 21st century PC Canada, but not sure it is racist.
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Old 06-10-2015, 09:50 AM
 
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Not so sure about that. He is making an observation based on public behaviour.

And also "immigrants" is not a race.

It may be provocative in the I'm OK You're OK We're OK kool aid infused 21st century PC Canada, but not sure it is racist.
Just to respond to Ken, following up on Acajack's response:

1. I'm an ethnic minority immigrant myself. So I'm being racist to my own race? That's like saying I hate myself.

2. Like Acajack said, "immigrants" is not a race.

3. I noticed that every time someone counters right wing crazies like Ken, he pulls the race card. Funny, considering this is coming from a guy who posted 20+ homophobic comments on the Irish Marriage Equality thread. Ken - do you honestly want us to quote you on all the nasty things you said about gay people and same sex marriage? I'll refrain from doing so for now, just to save some face for you.
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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A few years ago the TDSB website had a link to a "sex-ed" website that encouraged children to experiment with homosexuality and all that.
Exactly. Most people with half a brain in their head see no benefit to teaching children about anal beads, vibrators, and techniques of anal sex, and see this as nothing more as a thinly-veiled attempt by Wynne to push a personal homosexual agenda.

Seriously... If some creep in a white van was teaching your kids this tripe, you would have him arrested. As such, I fail to see what makes it any more acceptable to teach it to your kids in a classroom.

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From my personal observations, the majority of the Parents that are upset are from the Muslim, Hindi, and Sikh communities, who are conservative and who reject the concept of "The Government knows better than you, about how to raise and teach your kids ".
I don't know where the racist viewpoint comes from. I live in uber-white Oshawa and don't know a single parent who is happy about it.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Canada
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So then, wrt immigrants, to quote Charles Taylor, from The Politics of Recognition: "...the principle of equal respect requires that we treat people in a difference-blind fashion... For the other, we have to recognise and even foster particularity. The reproach the first makes to the second is that it violates the principle of non-discrimination. The reproach the second makes to the first is that it negates identity by forcing people into a homogenous mold that is untrue to them... As it turns out, only the minority or supressed cultures are forced to take alien form..."

http://elplandehiram.org/documentos/...ecognition.pdf

"Immigrants" may not be a race but races were depicted in the picture, and alluded to as "demographics" in the post.

In other words, we're multicultural, not bicultural - but not really?

I'm not arguing against sex education, by the way. What I am suggesting is that if it doesn't break any laws, such as the laws against murder and theft, then why, in a so-called multi-cultural society, aren't we getting the idea that people don't arrive here as blank slates, and may have different values? And if those values aren't completely unacceptable (theft, murder), why not let the natural course of societal evolution take place? Those "demographics" will soon enough find their children submerged in the mainstream culture, in some cases for the better, and some for the worse.

I seem to remember people having sex back in the dark ages of the 1960s and 70s, even without more explicit sex education or the internet.

And I do think that using terms such as "right" and "left" is an unfortunate choice of words. I really don't hear those words around here. Maybe that's a regional thing.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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So then, wrt immigrants, to quote Charles Taylor, from The Politics of Recognition: "...the principle of equal respect requires that we treat people in a difference-blind fashion... For the other, we have to recognise and even foster particularity. The reproach the first makes to the second is that it violates the principle of non-discrimination. The reproach the second makes to the first is that it negates identity by forcing people into a homogenous mold that is untrue to them... As it turns out, only the minority or supressed cultures are forced to take alien form..."

http://elplandehiram.org/documentos/...ecognition.pdf

"Immigrants" may not be a race but races were depicted in the picture, and alluded to as "demographics" in the post.

In other words, we're multicultural, not bicultural - but not really?

I'm not arguing against sex education, by the way. What I am suggesting is that if it doesn't break any laws, such as the laws against murder and theft, then why, in a so-called multi-cultural society, aren't we getting the idea that people don't arrive here as blank slates, and may have different values? And if those values aren't completely unacceptable (theft, murder), why not let the natural course of societal evolution take place? Those "demographics" will soon enough find their children submerged in the mainstream culture, in some cases for the better, and some for the worse.

I seem to remember people having sex back in the dark ages of the 1960s and 70s, even without more explicit sex education or the internet.

And I do think that using terms such as "right" and "left" is an unfortunate choice of words. I really don't hear those words around here. Maybe that's a regional thing.
I agree with with you you say. Thank you for explaining.

I understand that not everyone comes here as a clean slate. Everyone, even those from similar Western European countries, comes here bringing their cultural baggage. That's just a fact of life for an immigrant country like Canada.

Someone earlier asked whether certain cultures are better than others? I'll probably cause a firestorm by giving this very politically incorrect response - well yes. Not all cultures and cultural traditions are equal. I think most in Canada and the United States would agree that western liberal democratic traditions - freedom of expression, a secular public realm, an openness to all discussions - are infinitely more desirable than other less open-minded cultures (ISIS anyone?).

Yes we don't mind you teaching your own kids at home about your cultural traditions or your personal views on sexuality, gender, etc. That's the inherent right of all parents, within their private realm. However, we as a society also have an over-arching set of fundamental values and laws that we reserve the right to voice in the public realm - in schools, universities, legislatures, media. Whether you agree with one view or the other is the audience's individual choice, but both sides reserve the right to voice and to educate our respect values, whether in the private or in the public sphere.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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It's so completely arrogant to propose that you can "push" a "homosexual agenda". You're either gay, have some bisexual inclination, or not at all. This isn't politics, it's nature. Deal with reality. Please.
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