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Old 05-05-2015, 10:48 PM
 
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I remember how Albertans used to be so boastful -- especially against Ontario -- but now look at what's happened to the province. It should be interesting to see how the province continues to decline as the socialists run roughshod over everything that once made Alberta prosperous. I wonder if this will spark a rural Alberta independence movement...
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:06 AM
 
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I remember how Albertans used to be so boastful -- especially against Ontario -- but now look at what's happened to the province. It should be interesting to see how the province continues to decline as the socialists run roughshod over everything that once made Alberta prosperous. I wonder if this will spark a rural Alberta independence movement...
No rural area has ever succeeded from its cities, and never will, it's impractical and there aren't even political mechanisms for organizing that. Besides, some rural areas of Alberta did vote for the NDP. Anyways, the Alberta NDP platform is hardly radical, I think they'll probably be reasonably sound administrators. I know you're a super conservative and obviously aren't pleased about the result, but there's no need to overreact, Alberta is a democracy and if the voters find that NDP governance has been harmful they can always replace them at the next election. For now, Alberta has aired out a stale legislature that they were unhappy with for some pretty valid reasons, and I think new ideas and fresh faces can only be good for democracy. If voters change their mind at the next election, at least house will have been cleaned and maybe some of those new ideas will end up being good ones that people will want to keep around, even if others are reversed. Only time will tell how this administration will do, it's too early to be judging them already when they've only just been hired for a few hours!
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:31 AM
 
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I wonder if the next federal election will go to a majority NDP government as people i talk to are fed up with Harper for various reasons and Trudeau doesnt seem to be a favorite.
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Old 05-06-2015, 08:18 AM
 
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Don't confuse the Alberta NDP with the national NDP. Short of orange being their colour, that's where the similarities end.

Alberta doesn't have governments as much as political empires. First it was the Social Credits from the 30's to 1971, then Lougheed got rid of Manning's party (Preston's dad, Ernest) and they've reigned supreme for 44 years. Some great Premiers, some awful ones moving the needle and the definition of "conservative" wherever it needed to be to maintain power. Now after apathy towards the electorate along with stupidity, they're out.

To Bimbam's point, it's a great chance to air out the old. I'm excited for change just because there hasn't been any in so long. If the NDP want to be more than a one term speedbump in the road to the next empire they need to have an interesting approach.
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Old 05-06-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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I wondered, while watching the Holland VE day celebrations why Harper looked distracted. Poor guy must have been getting polling updates while Albertans were voting.

I too, remember well all the bluster when Alberta was riding tall in the saddle (pun intended) and had cash to use twenties to light their Cohibas with. Many a song has been written to illustrate their slide.

For Albertans I wish nothing but common sense from the new party and hopefully they'll ride out this oil conundrum and court a diversity of other business to locate there that will serve to moderate the fluctuation of resource profits.
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Old 05-06-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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Don't confuse the Alberta NDP with the national NDP. Short of orange being their colour, that's where the similarities end.

Alberta doesn't have governments as much as political empires. First it was the Social Credits from the 30's to 1971, then Lougheed got rid of Manning's party (Preston's dad, Ernest) and they've reigned supreme for 44 years. Some great Premiers, some awful ones moving the needle and the definition of "conservative" wherever it needed to be to maintain power. Now after apathy towards the electorate along with stupidity, they're out.

To Bimbam's point, it's a great chance to air out the old. I'm excited for change just because there hasn't been any in so long. If the NDP want to be more than a one term speedbump in the road to the next empire they need to have an interesting approach.
She seems to be cognizant of the impression held by many of her party's tendency towards frivolous handouts to the extent she made effort to reassure the business community of co-operation forthcoming.

Now if only the Ontario group would LEARN so as to wipe out the Bobby Rae (Rhodes Scholar my rosy red azz ) memories of Buddies in Bad Times Theater fiasco years.........
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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The right for people to maintain their democratic rights and seek independence is never "impractical". It's a basic right that Canada has fought to defend and fights to ensure for others. Not sure what you mean by there are no "political mechanisms" -- how exactly was Canada formed in the first place and where does it state that an overwhelming majority of Canadians in a given are can't form their own province or state?

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No rural area has ever succeeded from its cities, and never will, it's impractical and there aren't even political mechanisms for organizing that. Besides, some rural areas of Alberta did vote for the NDP. Anyways, the Alberta NDP platform is hardly radical, I think they'll probably be reasonably sound administrators. I know you're a super conservative and obviously aren't pleased about the result, but there's no need to overreact, Alberta is a democracy and if the voters find that NDP governance has been harmful they can always replace them at the next election. For now, Alberta has aired out a stale legislature that they were unhappy with for some pretty valid reasons, and I think new ideas and fresh faces can only be good for democracy. If voters change their mind at the next election, at least house will have been cleaned and maybe some of those new ideas will end up being good ones that people will want to keep around, even if others are reversed. Only time will tell how this administration will do, it's too early to be judging them already when they've only just been hired for a few hours!
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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Congrats, Alberta!
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Old 05-06-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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The status quo wasn't working in Alberta. How in the world such a oil rich province can be so poor as to have to put forth an austerity budget is the an important question. The rainy day fund should of been much larger.

I read that in 2013 Alberta was getting around $4.80 cents per barrel, Alaska got $38.00 and Norway $80.00.

The next year or two will answer any questions we have about this new government. I wish them the best. Change can be good.

The thing about this election though that I'm taking away is that it is refreshing to know, that the people still have a voice and it should put ALL politicians of ALL political stripes on notice. You work for us.
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Old 05-06-2015, 12:12 PM
 
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The status quo wasn't working in Alberta. How in the world such a oil rich province can be so poor as to have to put forth an austerity budget is the an important question. The rainy day fund should of been much larger.

I read that in 2013 Alberta was getting around $4.80 cents per barrel, Alaska got $38.00 and Norway $80.00.

The next year or two will answer any questions we have about this new government. I wish them the best. Change can be good.

The thing about this election though that I'm taking away is that it is refreshing to know, that the people still have a voice and it should put ALL politicians of ALL political stripes on notice. You work for us.
Part of the reason for the low royalties was due to the massive capital costs required to process oil sands. It's not as simple as punching a few holes in the ground, so if you're going to have companies spend tens of billions of dollars instead of hundreds of millions, you need to make it worth their while.

I totally agree with the final comment. It's good to see actual change. Now the thought for the next few years is - You got what you wanted, now do you want what you got?
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