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Old 04-10-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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If you get into this stuff though, you could probably start examining such definitions/views across the entire country and not just delineating 'English' from 'French'
Yes and no.


The views of what's "conservative" vs. "liberal" outside of Quebec tend to dovetail a lot with those you find in the U.S., even if the needle isn't calibrated in the exact same spot(s) on the spectrum. Most notably when it comes to the extremes, as we all know.


Quebec is for example the only place in Canada-U.S.A. where, for better or for worse, a huge chunk of the population thinks that being opposed to religiously-inspired/imposed face veils makes them "leftist", "liberal" and "progressive", and a paragon of women's rights to boot!

Stuff such as this is likely due to the influence of France/Europe on our political and societal discourse.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Yes and no.


The views of what's "conservative" vs. "liberal" outside of Quebec tend to dovetail a lot with those you find in the U.S., even if the needle isn't calibrated in the exact same spot(s) on the spectrum. Most notably when it comes to the extremes, as we all know.


Quebec is for example the only place in Canada-U.S.A. where, for better or for worse, a huge chunk of the population thinks that being opposed to religiously-inspired/imposed face veils makes them "leftist", "liberal" and "progressive", and a paragon of women's rights to boot!

Stuff such as this is likely due to the influence of France/Europe on our political and societal discourse.
What I will say is that in Canada there are certainly not uniform values across the board when it comes to liberalism and conservatism. It probably goes without saying though. In your example of a veil I would agree, you wouldn't find that view in English Canada that being opposed to religious-inspired face veils would make you progressive. I do think there are a fair share of English Canadians who wouldn't be opposed to banning these veils. You remember the whole Hijab thing.

Regardless of how you label it though, I think the ultimate expression of women's rights is to allow them to freely express themselves - even if that includes a veil. I only am against such expression for practical reasons involving safety or the need to identify themselves to authorities.
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Old 04-10-2018, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Regardless of how you label it though, I think the ultimate expression of women's rights is to allow them to freely express themselves - even if that includes a veil. I only am against such expression for practical reasons involving safety or the need to identify themselves to authorities.
Your opinion expressed here is actually a prime example of the difference.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Your opinion expressed here is actually a prime example of the difference.
I'm fine with the difference really. I've expressed where my values are on this and it is ok. I respect the French Canadian take on this. I don't agree with it but I respect it as a part of their value system. I'm just thinking however, that there probably are examples in English Canada where you could find a more localized take on an issue that goes against the 'English' Canadian grain.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'm fine with the difference really. I've expressed where my values are on this and it is ok. I respect the French Canadian take on this. I don't agree with it but I respect it as a part of their value system.
And as I am sure you know I respect the difference of views in the rest of the country as well.


That's why we get along so great! (Most of the time.)
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