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Old 05-22-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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Prolly harder than you seem to think.

An LMO (Labour Market Opinion) is not "sent out by the employer." The employer must ask the government for one. This involves the employer paying a fee to the government, advertising the position in a variety of ways for a certain period of time, and engaging in a number of other "time and money" obligations borne by the employer. If no qualified Canadians respond to all this advertising etc., then (and only then) will the government issue an LMO to the employer.

In the end, it's not up to the employer. It's up to the government.
okay so it's a fee and a couple forms that I take back to the border. Not so hard...all I have to do is find an employer who sympathizes with my position...being stuck in the US. I'm sure it's not so difficult because they know I'll be a dedicated employee for a number of years...or at least I'll be more motivated to be a dedicated employee for several years. I mean I'm sure there are a lot of entry level jobs that turn over quickly because they aren't very desirable, and maybe CA citizens lack motivation. But I will be coming in with a full tank of motivation because this job is going to land my citizenship. As long as I don't walk into the interview with a t shirt that says 'canada is lame' or 'I'm only here for the healthcare' then I should be good. If anything I'll come in with a 'just graduated McGill' shirt or a 'metric system is way easier' shirt...and I certainly won't go in there with a shirt that says 'hot mess' with a transparent american flag in the background and I won't go in wearing a shirt that says 'you miss 100% of your shots whether you take them or not...just give up already. I did and look at me' ...okay lame attempt at humour. I am serious about this!

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Old 05-22-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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okay so it's a fee and a couple forms that I take back to the border. Not so hard...all I have to do is find an employer who sympathizes with my position...being stuck in the US. I'm sure it's not so difficult because they know I'll be a dedicated employee for a number of years...or at least I'll be more motivated to be a dedicated employee for several years. I mean I'm sure there are a lot of entry level jobs that turn over quickly because they aren't very desirable, and maybe CA citizens lack motivation. But I will be coming in with a full tank of motivation because this job is going to land my citizenship. As long as I don't walk into the interview with a t shirt that says 'canada is lame' or 'I'm only here for the healthcare' then I should be good. If anything I'll come in with a 'just graduated McGill' shirt or a 'metric system is way easier' shirt...and I certainly won't go in there with a shirt that says 'hot mess' with a transparent american flag in the background and I won't go in wearing a shirt that says 'you miss 100% of your shots whether you take them or not...just give up already. I did and look at me' ...okay lame attempt at humour. I am serious about this!
Typically employers will need to engage a dedicated immigration attorney to complete this process, as it can take several months up to a year until approval. And immigration attorney fees can be substantial, and extremely prohibitive to small employers. Why? Because the whole process is a lot more than just "a fee and couple of forms"... lol. Are you really so naive as to think Canada would make it that simple for foreigners to work and establish residence here? In America, the Permanent Resident application process can take anywhere between 3-10 years, depending on one's educational background, financial assets, employer sponsorship, and visa category. Canada is no different.

That's why previous posters said that the jobs that provide work permit sponsorship are those with in highly skilled or specialty fields. Why? Because it requires the employer to spend thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars on immigration and attorney fees alone to sponsor just one employee and complete all the necessary paper work. Do you honestly think Starbucks or Tim Horton's or some no name company would go spend that much time and money just to hire a cashier? Canada may not have as big a population, but we've got plenty of potential candidates for cashiers, baristas, and bank tellers. Thanks but no thanks. Dude, get out of your small town/city perspective and see the world beyond your prescribed lens. There are different sets of rules and laws that people need to abide by in different societies. Canada is no different.

And no, it doesn't matter which kind of T-shirt you wear.
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Old 05-23-2015, 04:55 AM
 
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ok As long as I don't walk into the interview with a t shirt that says 'canada is lame' or 'I'm only here for the healthcare' then I should be good. If anything I'll come in with a 'just graduated McGill' shirt or a 'metric system is way easier' shirt...and I certainly won't go in there with a shirt that says 'hot mess' with a transparent american flag in the background and I won't go in wearing a shirt that says 'you miss 100% of your shots whether you take them or not..
Yeah you best wear a plain tshirt to all those job interviews you plan on going to.Go get em dude=
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Seriously though, its a long weekend,with the border only 20 minute drive away perhaps its time to give your plan a try eh!
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Old 05-23-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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I've always found the Canadian Border Service to be very helpful. Tell them your plans and I'm sure they can help point you in the right direction.

Let us know how it goes.
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Old 05-23-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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I've always found the Canadian Border Service to be very helpful. Tell them your plans and I'm sure they can help point you in the right direction.

Let us know how it goes.

I think I will try tomorrow...I mean Sunday shouldn't be too crazy with traffic. But maybe I should be totally upfront with the border patrol, and just ask whether I am allowed to go in and look for a job that would give me an LMO, etc., or fast track my citizenship, or just allow me to live/work.

You're not being sarcastic in saying that the canadian border is very helpful right? you're really suggesting that I simply ask them first hand? I think I should just be totally transparent about it and ask what my options are...as long as I don't bring a bunch of crap with me such as all my belongings, and as long as I don't wear a shirt that says 'ignoring immigration regulations since 1989' or a shirt that says 'con artist of the year' then I should be able to get some individual help...right? thats what you're suggesting. Obviously you're not suggesting that I go in there with a conspicuous looking shirt though? like one that says 'fooling the border cops is a lifestyle'...okay I'm done with this sort of humor. But isn't this the sort of dry humor that would be acceptable in most provinces? but okay...I will try this tomorrow as long as you're not being sarcastic in saying that the Canadian border service is helpful
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Old 05-23-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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One of the main functions of border guards is to winkle out people who claim to be regular tourists but, in fact, are not. If they suspect you are bullsh1tting them they will ask you lots of questions designed to trap you in your own lies. They are trained to do this. If you are not honest with them, you will almost certainly come a cropper.
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Old 05-23-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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One of the main functions of border guards is to winkle out people who claim to be regular tourists but, in fact, are not. If they suspect you are bullsh1tting them they will ask you lots of questions designed to trap you in your own lies. They are trained to do this. If you are not honest with them, you will almost certainly come a cropper.
Now you're going to have to explain that to him also.
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Old 05-23-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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I think I will try tomorrow...I mean Sunday shouldn't be too crazy with traffic. But maybe I should be totally upfront with the border patrol, and just ask whether I am allowed to go in and look for a job that would give me an LMO, etc., or fast track my citizenship, or just allow me to live/work.

You're not being sarcastic in saying that the canadian border is very helpful right? you're really suggesting that I simply ask them first hand? I think I should just be totally transparent about it and ask what my options are...as long as I don't bring a bunch of crap with me such as all my belongings, and as long as I don't wear a shirt that says 'ignoring immigration regulations since 1989' or a shirt that says 'con artist of the year' then I should be able to get some individual help...right? thats what you're suggesting. Obviously you're not suggesting that I go in there with a conspicuous looking shirt though? like one that says 'fooling the border cops is a lifestyle'...okay I'm done with this sort of humor. But isn't this the sort of dry humor that would be acceptable in most provinces? but okay...I will try this tomorrow as long as you're not being sarcastic in saying that the Canadian border service is helpful
DO NOT TALK TO BORDER PATROL ABOUT YOUR PLANS!!!

Just go visit for a few days. I think Memorial Day is just an American Holiday, so all business should be as usual on Monday in Canada.

On Monday dress BUSINESS CASUAL or BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL and go talk to some employers and ask if they'd employee you on a student visa or if they know about getting a work permit. Talk with the employers themselves about your plans. See what reactions you get from employers. They may direct you to a local Immigration Office and it may be good just to stop in and ask for advice.

Actually, it may do you some good to go to a local staffing agency while you're there and talk to them about labor laws since that's all they do is help people find jobs. Google which staffing agencies are there in your Canadian city of choice and go visit them. I'm sure they'll be helpful and tell you what legal options they're aware of

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Old 05-23-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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I think I will try tomorrow...I mean Sunday shouldn't be too crazy with traffic. But maybe I should be totally upfront with the border patrol, and just ask whether I am allowed to go in and look for a job that would give me an LMO, etc., or fast track my citizenship, or just allow me to live/work.

You're not being sarcastic in saying that the canadian border is very helpful right? you're really suggesting that I simply ask them first hand? I think I should just be totally transparent about it and ask what my options are...as long as I don't bring a bunch of crap with me such as all my belongings, and as long as I don't wear a shirt that says 'ignoring immigration regulations since 1989' or a shirt that says 'con artist of the year' then I should be able to get some individual help...right? thats what you're suggesting. Obviously you're not suggesting that I go in there with a conspicuous looking shirt though? like one that says 'fooling the border cops is a lifestyle'...okay I'm done with this sort of humor. But isn't this the sort of dry humor that would be acceptable in most provinces? but okay...I will try this tomorrow as long as you're not being sarcastic in saying that the Canadian border service is helpful
Given that 1/3 of US teenagers have rather serious misconceptions about Canada: One-third of American 8th graders think Canada is a dictatorship, it doesn't surprise me that someone from the US would believe that it's possible to just drive North and claim citizenship ... as though Canada is some sort of unclaimed wild west.

Here are some facts to consider when seeking work in Canada: the economy is tanking, oil prices are down, oil exploration is down, layoffs have happened and there are more to come, when the oil industry falters the construction industry falters, people lose jobs, houses go into foreclosure, highly qualified people will take whatever job they can get. Unless you can demonstrate that no one in Canada has your unique skill set, a Canadian will get the job first.
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Old 05-23-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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I think I will try tomorrow...I mean Sunday shouldn't be too crazy with traffic. But maybe I should be totally upfront with the border patrol, and just ask whether I am allowed to go in and look for a job that would give me an LMO, etc., or fast track my citizenship, or just allow me to live/work.......
I think you should try too just so you will get the answers you need straight from the horse's mouth. Here's some tips for you.

First off, if you are intent on asking questions then park the car in the parking lot and go straight into the office to make all enquiries and pick up informational forms. Don't get in line to drive through because the customs officials at the booths won't answer questions or give advice on such matters and will just detain you and direct you to the office anyway. It's better to go to the office on your own initiative rather than being detained by them and possibly get permanently red-flagged in their database system.

Don't refer to any of the officers there as "border patrol" unless you want to give offense. They are not border patrol, they are Immigration and Customs Officers. Border Patrol is a different security agency and their main offices are not located at the border crossings, they are elsewhere and their teams of officers are away on patrol in helicopters, planes, boats, motorcycles, horses, ATV's and 4X4's, etc.

For god's sakes, whatever else you do, don't try to get funny and crack jokes with any of the officers on either side of the border. Especially not with your brand of humour because it's not funny, it really sucks big time. Try to get all humourous with those guys, or alternatively, if you argue, lose your temper or use ANY kind of foul language, it will automatically make them cranky and suspicious and they will detain you and interrogate you. The Americans will fingerprint you and may hold you for hours and hours while they check your records and then red-flag you into the database. So be polite, respectful and serious and say "yes sir, no sir, please and thank you, sir" wherever applicable.

You do have a passport, right? Because you will need your passport. Canadian officials might let you through without a passport if you have all the other required ID, but without passport when you go to return to USA the American I&C officers will detain you while they look up your records and give you no end of grief in their interrogations, and they will fingerprint you and red-flag you in the database for next time you try to cross the border. Red-flagging is permanent, it never goes away.

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