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Old 07-25-2016, 08:37 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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No. But Canadians expect Americans to know more about North Cascades National Park than THEY know about Nanuvit. That's kinda my point.
North Cascades National Park is in Washington State.

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Oh, and those Americans should be well-versed in Canadian history, geography, and current events, as well. They should have made some effort to have visited Canadian landmarks (the same landmarks that most Canadians haven't made any effort to visit). It is usually Canadians who've barely been out of their home provinces (most Canadians, perhaps) who harshly judge Americans for THEIR lack of knowledge,

I am Canadian, born and raised, jbgusa, and I've lived in the US for a long time. You seem to be one of those Americans who thinks that because you've travelled in Canada a few times, you now have a good understanding of its culture and people. You don't.
I've been to Plains of Abraham twice and the rest of Quebec City three times. I've been to Montreal three or four times (I find it disappointing). I've been to Toronto twice. The latter time my wife and I moved the trip to Algonquin Provincial Park because of the heat and the opportunity to see another less frequently visited part of Canada. I've been to Calgary and Banff once.

For a while about 10-15 years ago I was a daily reader of the National Post online. In terms of other reading I have read Trudeau, Son of Quebec, Father of Canada and Seymour Lipset's excellent Continental Divide about the relative differences between the two great countries.

Take your arrogance elsewhere, please.
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:48 PM
 
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Canadians dont like Americans. and you may have not just followed certain circumstances.
That has not been my experience overall, sorry.

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Nonsense. Canadians like Americans just fine.

What Canadians don't like are individual Americans who, while in Canada:

-- Tell Canadians that they're socialist
Clearly Canada isn't socialist but the GST and before the GST the MST inflated prices in a manner that made Canada seem a bit European.
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-- Tell Canadians that Americans are more free because they can carry guns
-- Tell Canadians that Canada has no freedom of speech
On the part of the Americans just plain stupid. While I am slightly pro-Second Amendment I don't consider gun ownership to be at the core of America's freedoms.
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-- Tell Canadians that the US Constitution somehow protects Americans while in Canada
The Charter and before that the unwritten British Constitution contains many similar rights and I expect a roughly similar array of rights in most advanced English-speaking countries.
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-- Tell Canadians that Canada has never been in a war
Those Americans should get a lecture on Vimy Ridge, Dieppe, Juno Beach and their defeat of invading American forces at Fort York (now Toronto).
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-- Tell Canadians that the US protects them militarily
To a certain extent that's a valid point.
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-- Tell Canadians that the US dollar is accepted around the world, then complain when Canadian merchants either reject it or charge a hefty premium for using it
I think the premiums should perhaps not be excessive in areas where there is significant American travel. If I took a side tip to Rainy River or Brandon, Manitoba I would not expect the U.S. dollar to be readily accepted. The major Rocky Mountain parks, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and Quebec should be a different story.
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-- Tell English Canadians that they are amazed that we have no French accent
I don't know how to spell "stupid" in French.
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-- Tell Canadians that they have to pay the Queen an annual tribute
I can spell "stupid" in British.

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All of the above I've heard, and more, all in Canada from individual Americans visiting. But for all that, I've found many more individual Americans are genuinely interested and curious about Canada when they visit. These Americans ask questions in an effort to dispel their ignorance, and Canadians tend to respond in a friendly fashion. But if an American tells us an incorrect fact about us, and asserts it in spite of our protestations to the contrary, we're not going to take it well.
To your post I would add the Americans that show up at a border station in Ontario in July with skis on their cars.

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Great post. The American ignorance of the outside world is annoying. Not all Americans of course, but many.
I don't enjoy your broad-brushing people like myself.
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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My point is clear. And accurate.

As for your having travelled through "much" of Canada and having actually lived in another province? You're a minority among Canadians, especially in Ontario, and I think you know that. I doubt most Windsorites have travelled outside of Ontario, IN Canada, let alone lived anywhere else outside of Southwestern ON, IN Canada.

Of course, you don't have to take my word for it. Go ahead and take an informal survey of your fellow Ontarians/Canadians' travel experience within Canada. I'll bet few of them have seen "much" of Canada, though they've probably been to places like Florida many times. They might even have retired there and own homes there. But they've never bothered to see the beauty of the Rockies and Victoria, or Quebec City and L'Ile-aux-Coudres, or the Maritimes and Peggy's Cove, or even the nation's capital. But they love to talk about American parochialism.

I've said this before: in an apples-to-apples comparison, Americans are far better travelled in the US than Canadians are in Canada. There really IS no comparison, actually.
I find your negativity towards other posters astounding. I have some telephone friends from the Vancouver area, Alberta and Manitoba that have spent lots of time in other parts of Canada.
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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Canadian ignorance of Canada is annoying. Not all Canadians, of course, but many.

And Canadians don't understand nearly as much about the US as they think. A friend of a friend from Toronto is visiting right now, and some of the comments and criticisms he has openly, happily, and confidently made about the US -- while staying in my home and those of other welcoming Americans -- have been pretty stupid.

FWIW, he hasn't done much travelling in Canada.
This is a good illustration of your point, even though I don't particularly enjoy the tenor of your remarks.

Back in April 2007 my wife took me and my children to Niagara Falls, Canada to celebrate my 50th birthday.

I was chatting with a guy at the hotel bar after the Leafs lost, and for the umpteenth time eliminated from Stanley Cup contention. He stated that he was sure he knew more US history than I did (similar to the views of this poster), and certainly more US history than I knew about Canadian history. He asked me to test him. I asked him which two elections were decided by the House of Representatives and not the usual way, by the Electoral College. He answered, wasn't it the "Taft" election.

I responded that the Taft election, in 1912, was one of the few where a major party, the Republicans, got less votes than a third party, in tihs case Ted Roosevelt's "Bull Moose Progressives". I said "sort of like your 1993 and 1997 elections where the Bloc and the Reform got more than the Progressive Conservatives.

He said "I rest my case", and said he was astounded an American could quote Canadian elections from memory.

Now I will admit some deficiencies. I only know Canadian Prime Ministers in order from Wilfred Laurier forward, though I do know that John Macdonald was Canada's first Prime Minister. Except for recent elections (since Diefenbaker in 1958) I don't know who the losing party leaders were. I will admit not knowing when the CCF became the NDP or the Conservative Party merged with the Progressive Party to become the late and unlamented Progressive Conservative Party.
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Sorry, work travel doesn't count. As a rule, people don't CHOOSE to travel for work.
Who hired you as a judge?
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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This is a good illustration of your point, even though I don't particularly enjoy the tenor of your remarks.

Back in April 2007 my wife took me and my children to Niagara Falls, Canada to celebrate my 50th birthday.

I was chatting with a guy at the hotel bar after the Leafs lost, and for the umpteenth time eliminated from Stanley Cup contention. He stated that he was sure he knew more US history than I did (similar to the views of this poster), and certainly more US history than I knew about Canadian history. He asked me to test him. I asked him which two elections were decided by the House of Representatives and not the usual way, by the Electoral College. He answered, wasn't it the "Taft" election.

I responded that the Taft election, in 1912, was one of the few where a major party, the Republicans, got less votes than a third party, in tihs case Ted Roosevelt's "Bull Moose Progressives". I said "sort of like your 1993 and 1997 elections where the Bloc and the Reform got more than the Progressive Conservatives.

He said "I rest my case", and said he was astounded an American could quote Canadian elections from memory.

Now I will admit some deficiencies. I only know Canadian Prime Ministers in order from Wilfred Laurier forward, though I do know that John Macdonald was Canada's first Prime Minister. Except for recent elections (since Diefenbaker in 1958) I don't know who the losing party leaders were. I will admit not knowing when the CCF became the NDP or the Conservative Party merged with the Progressive Party to become the late and unlamented Progressive Conservative Party.
...you are a rare bird indeed.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:34 PM
 
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North Cascades National Park is in Washington State..
Yes. I'm not sure what your point is.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:39 PM
 
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Who hired you as a judge?
Who hired YOU as a judge?

He openly expresses his opinions (often along the lines about how "ignorant" Americans are), and I expressed mine.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:52 PM
 
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...you are a rare bird indeed.
How so?
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Old 07-25-2016, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Many years ago, I read somewhere that Americans move four times more often than Canadians. I wouldn't doubt that this is true, if not exactly those statistics, which must surely be outdated by now.

However, the business of North Americans moving around a lot came up in Germany as well when I lived there with the criticism that this showed North Americans (they said 'Americans' but I'm pretty sure Canadians were lumped in with that too) were rootless.

The last page or so of posts caused me to remember this. I tried looking up statistics for how many times Germans moved within Germany and couldn't find anything on it. I guess my point would be that whether there is a criticism to be made about people who haven't lived in many places depends on your perspective.

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Old 07-25-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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Yes. I'm not sure what your point is.
That you are chastising a Canadian for not knowing about remote areas

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Who hired YOU as a judge?

He openly expresses his opinions (often along the lines about how "ignorant" Americans are), and I expressed mine.
Your remarks are unduly nasty.
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