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Old 05-30-2015, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Well, they are ruled by a Queen, true?
She does not rule.
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Old 05-30-2015, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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There's no need to assume that a Canadian youth is ignorant of his own country, or other countries. Let's keep the facts straight:

"According to the U.S. government's National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), 33 per cent of American eighth graders currently believe that Canada is a dictatorship."

May 22, 2015
One-third of American 8th graders think Canada is a dictatorship, report reveals - Trending - CBC News
Gee, I have an idea: why doesn't someone in Canada focus instead on 8th grade CANADIANS? I would think that would be far more relevant to Canadians and viewers of the CBC. Conduct a study to determine what, if anything, 8th graders know about Canada outside of their home provinces. Betcha any money the results wouldn't be anything to brag about.

I'm not ASSUMING that the average Canadian has little first-hand knowledge of other provinces. I know it. I'm Canadian. But, as usual, Canadians want to focus on the shortcomings of their neighbors. Doesn't that become boring after a while?
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Old 05-30-2015, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Gee, I have an idea: why doesn't someone in Canada focus instead on 8th grade CANADIANS? I would think that would be far more relevant to Canadians and viewers of the CBC. Conduct a study to determine what, if anything, 8th graders know about Canada outside of their home provinces. Betcha any money the results wouldn't be anything to brag about.

I'm not ASSUMING that the average Canadian has little first-hand knowledge of other provinces. I know it. I'm Canadian. But, as usual, Canadians want to focus on the shortcomings of their neighbors. Doesn't that become boring after a while?
Studies and rankings put Canadian high school students higher than US ones on average. Especially in math, reading and the sciences. I can't find any stats on how well Canadian 8th graders know Canada or the world, but my money is on them and not their American counterparts.

The CBC was just carrying the article that came out of the US. It's just an article. Nobody is running around talking about it or even focusing on it.

Here's a bit more of where it came from.

Many 8th graders score poorly on US history, civics exam - US News
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:14 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Gee, I have an idea: why doesn't someone in Canada focus instead on 8th grade CANADIANS? I would think that would be far more relevant to Canadians and viewers of the CBC. Conduct a study to determine what, if anything, 8th graders know about Canada outside of their home provinces. Betcha any money the results wouldn't be anything to brag about.

I'm not ASSUMING that the average Canadian has little first-hand knowledge of other provinces. I know it. I'm Canadian. But, as usual, Canadians want to focus on the shortcomings of their neighbors. Doesn't that become boring after a while?
I agree sort of, not saying Canadians don't have the right to criticize America but people should just stop comparing the two countries.. United States population is way larger and varied than Canada's... The best schools in the United States are better than the best schools in Canada, the worst schools in the United States are worse than the worst schools in Canada...

I think Canadians should look to a different country or pick a region within the United States to compare themselves to. that would make more sense.
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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She does not rule.
She reigns, though. Right?

All over your parade, some would crow. But not I.
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Old 05-30-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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Here's an example of how Canadians are treated by people from the US when traveling abroad: My son was recently at a resort in Mexico where he met several travellers from the US. When they asked him where he was from, he first mentioned a Canadian city ... blank stare. Then he mentioned a Canadian province ... blank stare. He then mentioned Canada. Yes, the US travellers had heard of Canada. After a few days of this, he decided to mimic that reaction. When he asked US travellers where they were from and they said Los Angeles or Austin, he gave them a blank stare. When they said California or Texas, he gave them a blank stare, and when they said the US, he gave a smile and said that he'd heard of the US.

This experience should enlighten people from the US. Mutual respect is what is expected. My son's impression was that people from the US expect others should know about their country, but they clearly have no interest in knowing about someone else's country. Can I go to the US and use Euros at the grocery store? Why not? Should I be upset that I can't use my chosen currency in the US?
I don't understand how a few US citizens not knowing what city your son is from means they are disrespectful. For one you did not even clarify what city he is actually from, Canada does not have many big cities, and has very few globally iconic cities as well. Toronto and Montreal are the most famous cities in Canada, I have a hard time believing that those Americans did not hear of Toronto before.

It's also not stated how young the people in this story are. If they are teenagers then it's not really saying much that they are uncultured.


I don't think that experience would enlighten any American. If someone in the West (or really most places in the world), much less a Canadian admitted to not knowing what Los Angeles was - or California and Texas that would make them look incredibly....uh...stupid? Now I know that statement sounds counter productive to my point, but there is a huge difference between not knowing what Austin is (which is a relatively small city) and not knowing what Texas is. That is like me pretending not to know what Hong Kong or Paris are, people would likely assume I was not very smart. I don't think an American who is from Nebraska would assume anyone outside of America to hear about his home town.


The reason why Canadians typically know more about American culture than vice versa is simply because American culture influences Canada more than the other way around. That's really all it is, it isn't a means of disrespect. That isn't something exclusive to the United States - you can go anywhere in the world and people will be more familiar with American cities and states than Canadian cities and provinces.
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Old 05-30-2015, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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^^^ This is a very good post. As an American, I am grateful that my countrymen have created cultural phenomena which have benefitted humanity, either tangibly or spiritually -- for want of a better term -- however, I am equally distressed at the level of perverse negativity, both institutional and individual, which has subsumed some of the native optimism which defined the American character in the centuries preceding, amd immediately following, my birth.

We are all bound by time. Take advantage of the indisputable fact that you -- Canadian, American, yoobadoobadoobian - are here. Now!
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Old 05-30-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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She reigns, though. Right?

All over your parade, some would crow. But not I.
Reign, rule...kind of splitting hairs, but she has no power.
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Old 05-30-2015, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Reign, rule...kind of splitting hairs, but she has no power.
I don't know, man. I wouldn't mind a bunch of people saying "Hey, Yeledaf! we want you to reign over us! You can be in parades and stuff, and wave to us, but you can't write traffic tickets or tell us who we can't hate but who it's okay to kind of diss." That might be pretty cool.

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Old 05-30-2015, 08:00 PM
 
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Well, they are ruled by a Queen, true?
No, not really.

"Major events during his terms include the creation of the Official Languages Act in 1969, the enactment of theWar Measures Act during the FLQ-October Crisis in 1970, the creation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982 and legal independence from Britain with the signing of the Constitution Act, 1982."

Pierre Elliott Trudeau | Prime Minister of Canada

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