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Old 06-01-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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Germans are not and never were a single unified "race" of people - I always find it funny how people outside of Germany still believe some of the myths created between 1933 and 1945. By the sounds of your answer, though, it doesn't seem like there'd be any point in trying to have a reasoned discussion about this. But I'll say this: liberal democracy and americanization has done more eliminate cultural diversity in Germany than anything done prior to the end of the war.

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Yes, within the borders of Germany used to be large Polish and Jewish populations in the early 1900s and...wait a second, where did they all go?
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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Classic leftist double-speak. We're led to believe that Canadians can maintain their culture and traditions from the homeland, but at the same time are expected to conform to laws design to assimilate people that make it next to impossible. The Soviets used to have a similar attitude toward the many ethnic groups within its borders, but at least those peoples were initially allowed a certain degree independent identity with their own republics and such. In Canada immigrant communities are usually spread out across the country and cohesion and identity is eventually lost, leaving just a vague sense of belonging to a hyphenated "community". Imagine if Canada actually permitted the formation of semi-autonomous provinces based on ethnic background...

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We did this

Canadian Multiculturalism Act

I'm sure people will argue about whether Canada has been successful and the reasons why, but I'm one that thinks overall it has been successful in Canada.
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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Germans are not and never were a single unified "race" of people - I always find it funny how people outside of Germany still believe some of the myths created between 1933 and 1945. By the sounds of your answer, though, it doesn't seem like there'd be any point in trying to have a reasoned discussion about this. But I'll say this: liberal democracy and americanization has done more eliminate cultural diversity in Germany than anything done prior to the end of the war.
Sure, you had Saxons, Prussians, Hessians, Bavarians, and so on... But they all spoke German(maybe slightly different dialects) except for Slavic minorities, mostly all were Christian(except for the Jews), and had a similar culture, history, and traditions overall. The whole point of uniting Germany was to bring all the "Germanic" people together, which could've include Austria as well.

Claiming that they're different "races"(and race is a pretty debatable subject in itself), is a little bit of a stretch.

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Old 06-01-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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Yes, within the borders of Germany used to be large Polish and Jewish populations in the early 1900s and...wait a second, where did they all go?
^^^Exactly that.

Being under British rule we can not expect Canada to have a history of perfection in the multiculturalism department.

However, they are not guilty of a long drawn out practice of slavery, KKK members and sympathizers selling the body parts of minorities as souvenirs from lynchings, castrations, etc., regular raping of slaves and seperation of families by selling each member the way a dog breeder sells puppies.

Oh wait that was hundreds of years ago, right? Okay, well even if we don't factor in Jim Crow laws, and the NECESSITY of a civil rights movement and the Supreme Court decision of Loving vs. Virginia in the not too distant year of 1967- I don't hear too much about Canadian Police Brutality or about Canadian policemen killing Blacks EVERY OTHER WEEK and getting away with it.

Canada is not perfect, but it's no where near and I don't think it ever has been as bad as it's neighbor.

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Old 06-01-2015, 08:31 PM
 
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Classic leftist double-speak. We're led to believe that Canadians can maintain their culture and traditions from the homeland, but at the same time are expected to conform to laws design to assimilate people that make it next to impossible. The Soviets used to have a similar attitude toward the many ethnic groups within its borders, but at least those peoples were initially allowed a certain degree independent identity with their own republics and such. In Canada immigrant communities are usually spread out across the country and cohesion and identity is eventually lost, leaving just a vague sense of belonging to a hyphenated "community". Imagine if Canada actually permitted the formation of semi-autonomous provinces based on ethnic background...
Oh brother. You don't get it, do you? Multiculturalism isn't about people NOT integrating into Canadian society, but about recognizing the fact that Canada IS multicultural so therefore our institutions should reflect that.

This sums it up.

"multiculturalism as a fundamental aspect of Canada (Article 3). Central to multiculturalism is the idea that Canadians regardless of race, ethnicity, language or religion are all equal. Multiculturalism therefore guarantees equality before the law (Multiculturalism Act (MA), 1988, Preamble and Article 3; Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC), 2008). Multiculturalism is concerned with protecting individual rights and overcoming discrimination based on race or ethnicity (MA, Preamble and Article 5).
Additionally, multiculturalism encourages the preservation of cultural identities, and cross-cultural exchanges to promote cross-cultural understanding (CIC, 2008). Though multiculturalism presupposes that individuals share basic democratic values, individuals can belong to any group they see fit, and can maintain, enhance and share their cultural heritage (CIC, 2008; MA, 1988, Article 3). The government must promote interactions of cultural communities to “foster the recognition and appreciation of the diverse cultures of Canadian society and promote the reflection and the evolving expressions of those cultures” (MA, Article 3). Multiculturalism underlines the development of common attitudes among Canadians, and protects the use of English and French, while facilitating the retention of all languages (MA, Articles 3 and 5)."



http://canadianicon.org/wp-content/u...rification.pdf
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Old 06-02-2015, 03:07 AM
 
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...... Being under British rule we can not expect Canada to have a history of perfection in the multiculturalism department.

Just so you know ..... Canada is not under British rule. Canada is an independent, sovereign nation that governs itself by its own elected Canadian Government.

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Old 06-02-2015, 03:15 AM
 
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Queen is our head-of-state.

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Just so you know ..... Canada is not under British rule. Canada is an independent, sovereign nation that governs itself by its own elected Canadian Government.

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Old 06-02-2015, 03:25 AM
 
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Queen is our head-of-state.
Yes. The Monarch of Canada is the head of state in Canada but Canada isn't an absolute monarchy and it's elected government is Canadian government, it is not British government.

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Old 06-02-2015, 03:29 AM
 
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Sorry, none of those are ethnic groups, and where in God's name did I suggest that they constitute "races"? Dialects in Germany were hardly "slightly different" - most are not intelligible to someone who understands only "High German". You clearly know nothing about German culture, I'm not sure why you think you can convince me otherwise.

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Sure, you had Saxons, Prussians, Hessians, Bavarians, and so on... But they all spoke German(maybe slightly different dialects) except for Slavic minorities, mostly all were Christian(except for the Jews), and had a similar culture, history, and traditions overall. The whole point of uniting Germany was to bring all the "Germanic" people together, which could've include Austria as well.

Claiming that they're different "races"(and race is a pretty debatable subject in itself), is a little bit of a stretch.
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Old 06-02-2015, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Queen is our head-of-state.

Well, she's the Queen of Canada, but either way, tell me, Ken.... If she orders you to bow before her, will you? And if you don't, what will happen to you?

My money says: not a damn thing.

She can't do a thing without OUR government's say so. Figure head Ken. Figure head.

Doesn't sound like much "rule" to me.
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