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Old 07-20-2015, 05:52 PM
 
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That's how multiculturalism failed in France, despite France officially proclaiming separation of the state and religions.
If definitely failed. It also failed in the Scandinavian countries, and it's dicey in the Netherlands. France is the biggest failure with thousands of people who like the social welfare system and, if denied, they will loot and burn. National pride seems to be absent in peoples who adopt a new country, but not the country's culture.
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Old 12-13-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Canadian multicultural successes, even though they are greater than anywhere else in the world, are unfortunately not reproducible anywhere else or at least not to their current extent... most attempts elsewhere in the world resulted in, at best, successes that are more limited in scope.

In fact, it's one of those few countries that can still claim that multiculturalism works, especially since Trudeau embraces multiculturalism much more than his predecessors.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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We did this

Canadian Multiculturalism Act

I'm sure people will argue about whether Canada has been successful and the reasons why, but I'm one that thinks overall it has been successful in Canada.
Why on earth would you feel the need for a "muticulturalism act"? I mean beyond the obvious white European guilt.

Do people not realize that many cultures coming together in one nation forms it's own culture? That first generation greek parents in Toronto are going to raise a Canadian girl who happens to love spanakopita?
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:36 AM
 
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If definitely failed. It also failed in the Scandinavian countries, and it's dicey in the Netherlands. France is the biggest failure with thousands of people who like the social welfare system and, if denied, they will loot and burn. National pride seems to be absent in peoples who adopt a new country, but not the country's culture.

And this will happen in Canada eventually too. So far there is a lot of space in canada and not too many people, unlike in Europe where everyone sits on top of each other. Also, Canada doesnt have such huge influx of immigrants from Muslim countries. But give it time.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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Why on earth would you feel the need for a "muticulturalism act"? I mean beyond the obvious white European guilt.

Do people not realize that many cultures coming together in one nation forms it's own culture? That first generation greek parents in Toronto are going to raise a Canadian girl who happens to love spanakopita?

and a boy who thinks that women are second class citizens
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Old 12-15-2015, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Halifax, NS
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Canadians actually allow immigrants to become part of society. Unlike over in Europe where immigrants are relegated to ghettos and if they try to apply for a job, well, their CV will end up in the garbage just for having a foreign sounding name... then they're called lazy and unwilling to integrate because they don't work and live in isolated ghettos.
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Old 12-15-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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Canadians actually allow immigrants to become part of society. Unlike over in Europe where immigrants are relegated to ghettos and if they try to apply for a job, well, their CV will end up in the garbage just for having a foreign sounding name... then they're called lazy and unwilling to integrate because they don't work and live in isolated ghettos.
Some groups of immigrants simply refuse to assimilate.

Some of them are still well integrated into society, they just retain their own unique way of life, so that's fine and enriches the host society. Think Assyrians (Chaldeans), Orthodox Jews, Sikhs, to a lesser extent Greeks and Italians.

Some are not integrated at all and expect the host country to change to their way of life.

There are multiple generations of unassimilated Muslims now in countries ranging from Sweden to France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, UK. If it was one or two countries, you could argue that they were treated poorly. But when it's all over Europe, I think the real difference vs Canada / US is that we simply don't have as many of them.

Heck, even the cultures that have historically been successfully integrating into American society - Hispanics, for instance - tend to force their culture / language / traditions on the "locals" when there's enough of them. Just go visit some parts of Southwestern US that had seen more than their fair share of illegal immigrants.

However, Mexicans are far closer culturally to Europeans or Americans / Canadians, and they are fairly tolerant people. They can peacefully coexist with others, and they largely tolerate minorities in their own country. Can't say that about many Muslim countries.
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Old 12-17-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Some groups of immigrants simply refuse to assimilate.

Some of them are still well integrated into society, they just retain their own unique way of life, so that's fine and enriches the host society. Think Assyrians (Chaldeans), Orthodox Jews, Sikhs, to a lesser extent Greeks and Italians.

Some are not integrated at all and expect the host country to change to their way of life.

There are multiple generations of unassimilated Muslims now in countries ranging from Sweden to France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, UK. If it was one or two countries, you could argue that they were treated poorly. But when it's all over Europe, I think the real difference vs Canada / US is that we simply don't have as many of them.

Heck, even the cultures that have historically been successfully integrating into American society - Hispanics, for instance - tend to force their culture / language / traditions on the "locals" when there's enough of them. Just go visit some parts of Southwestern US that had seen more than their fair share of illegal immigrants.

However, Mexicans are far closer culturally to Europeans or Americans / Canadians, and they are fairly tolerant people. They can peacefully coexist with others, and they largely tolerate minorities in their own country. Can't say that about many Muslim countries.
Assimilation and Integration is a 2-way street. The host country also has to be welcoming of immigrants as well.

Well, for some European countries - some immigrants aren't allowed to assimilate, or become citizens. For example, Germany makes it very difficult for most of its Turkish residents (some of whom have been in Germany for 2-3 generations) to obtain citizenship.

France also takes its secularism to the extent, interpreting it to target their Muslim communities where they ban headscarves wearing in several cases.

If you're made to feel marginalized - how would you be able to really partake and fully participate in society?
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Old 12-17-2015, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Canadians actually allow immigrants to become part of society. Unlike over in Europe where immigrants are relegated to ghettos and if they try to apply for a job, well, their CV will end up in the garbage just for having a foreign sounding name... then they're called lazy and unwilling to integrate because they don't work and live in isolated ghettos.
Great point
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Old 12-18-2015, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Halifax, NS
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Some groups of immigrants simply refuse to assimilate.

Some of them are still well integrated into society, they just retain their own unique way of life, so that's fine and enriches the host society. Think Assyrians (Chaldeans), Orthodox Jews, Sikhs, to a lesser extent Greeks and Italians.

Some are not integrated at all and expect the host country to change to their way of life.

There are multiple generations of unassimilated Muslims now in countries ranging from Sweden to France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, UK. If it was one or two countries, you could argue that they were treated poorly. But when it's all over Europe, I think the real difference vs Canada / US is that we simply don't have as many of them.

Heck, even the cultures that have historically been successfully integrating into American society - Hispanics, for instance - tend to force their culture / language / traditions on the "locals" when there's enough of them. Just go visit some parts of Southwestern US that had seen more than their fair share of illegal immigrants.

However, Mexicans are far closer culturally to Europeans or Americans / Canadians, and they are fairly tolerant people. They can peacefully coexist with others, and they largely tolerate minorities in their own country. Can't say that about many Muslim countries.
Europe has a problem with Muslims because they never let them integrate. It's not to do with number.

Muslims today are treated like how Jews were treated a century ago. Complete with conspiracy theories.

It's getting out of control and scary.

I am not saying North Americans are immune to such messed up views, the biggest purveyor of Muslim conspiracy theories is American, and his paranoid fantasies are repeated in Canada as well, including by our politicians and media.

It's getting scary.
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