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Old 06-07-2015, 01:05 AM
 
Location: British Columbia ♥ 🍁 ♥
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Yeah, I wouldn't overstay my welcome, but I was always curious as to whether the timeline they give you is a contract or just a guideline.
I think it being a contract or a guideline might depend on whether or not you're just given a verbal timeline or given a document. If they enter a documented timeline right into your passport and into their shared database that might be considered a contract.

I've been a frequent border crosser most of my life but there was one time 7 years ago when I was crossing over into America I was issued a documented timeline. I had told them I planned to stay for 2 months but was refused and was given a printed document with a timeline of only 3 weeks by the American authorities. It was a small official looking printed form that he filled out, stamped and signed and then double stapled to the inside of my passport, it had the date in 3 weeks on there that I was required to return to Canada. He informed me that the information was entered into the shared database and that when I returned to Canada, on or before that date, that I must immediately report to the Canadian customs authorities office (not the American authorities) and have them remove the stapled document and make a stamped entry in my passport and into the database showing my date of return. He also informed me that if I returned later than the date specified that I'd risk being banned from ever entering USA again. Needless to say I didn't want to take that risk so I returned within that 3 week time frame. I was not given timelines the next few times I crossed the border in following years after that.

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Old 06-07-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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Go. See. Have fun. Go home in 6 months. No harm done. No laws broken.
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I think it being a contract or a guideline might depend on whether or not you're just given a verbal timeline or given a document. If they enter a documented timeline right into your passport and into their shared database that might be considered a contract.

I've been a frequent border crosser most of my life but there was one time 7 years ago when I was crossing over into America I was issued a documented timeline. I had told them I planned to stay for 2 months but was refused and was given a printed document with a timeline of only 3 weeks by the American authorities. It was a small official looking printed form that he filled out, stamped and signed and then double stapled to the inside of my passport, it had the date in 3 weeks on there that I was required to return to Canada. He informed me that the information was entered into the shared database and that when I returned to Canada, on or before that date, that I must immediately report to the Canadian customs authorities office (not the American authorities) and have them remove the stapled document and make a stamped entry in my passport and into the database showing my date of return. He also informed me that if I returned later than the date specified that I'd risk being banned from ever entering USA again. Needless to say I didn't want to take that risk so I returned within that 3 week time frame. I was not given timelines the next few times I crossed the border in following years after that.

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Strange. Did you ever find out why they restricted you?
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Old 06-07-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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Strange. Did you ever find out why they restricted you?
Yeah. It was just one guy who did it. The guy was in a snit and having a bad day (which I think is actually a common occurence). For decades we'd owned a little single room cabin on an acre at Leavenworth, Wa. (a Bavarian ski resort village in the Cascades) - my husband (a dual citizen) built it all by himself in the 60's and it was used frequently by all members of the extended family in both Canada and America as a get-away vacation place in summer, or to stay at for skiing in winter. So the snitty border guy got verbally abusive with me and accused me of going to the cabin for the purpose of making crafts sales at the resort because I had some of my sewing and hobby craft supplies with me to work on in the evenings at the cabin. No TV or anything, what else was I supposed to do in the evenings besides reading? He got all sarcastic and snarky about how nice it must be for Canadians to own property in America and have a place to stay at when they came to America to take jobs away from honest, hard-working Americans who didn't have a pot to pee in .... (yes, he really said that) .... and on and on and on he went and then finally he said okay but only for 3 weeks.

It's not the first time I've been accused by border guards of visiting America to look for work in spite of offering proof of profession and occupation and a husband and dependent family here at home, but it was the only time I had a time restriction put on me. That same accusation always only happened when I was crossing the border alone. They've never hassled me when I was with my husband or other family or companions. I think perhaps they probably get more suspicious with people who are travelling alone instead of travelling with companions or family with their reasoning being that if (a woman in particular) is alone then she can't be on vacation because no woman travels or vacations alone and so she must be travelling to look for work and is trying to bypass the system.

My husband died not long ago and I have not been back across the border since then and have no intention of ever travelling to USA again. I'm a retired senior and getting too old for putting up with their nonsense any more.

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Old 06-07-2015, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Yeah. It was just one guy who did it. The guy was in a snit and having a bad day (which I think is actually a common occurence). For decades we'd owned a little single room cabin on an acre at Leavenworth, Wa. (a Bavarian ski resort village in the Cascades) - my husband (a dual citizen) built it all by himself in the 60's and it was used frequently by all members of the extended family in both Canada and America as a get-away vacation place in summer, or to stay at for skiing in winter. So the snitty border guy got verbally abusive with me and accused me of going to the cabin for the purpose of making crafts sales at the resort because I had some of my sewing and hobby craft supplies with me to work on in the evenings at the cabin. No TV or anything, what else was I supposed to do in the evenings besides reading? He got all sarcastic and snarky about how nice it must be for Canadians to own property in America and have a place to stay at when they came to America to take jobs away from honest, hard-working Americans who didn't have a pot to pee in .... (yes, he really said that) .... and on and on and on he went and then finally he said okay but only for 3 weeks.

It's not the first time I've been accused by border guards of visiting America to look for work in spite of offering proof of profession and occupation and a husband and dependent family here at home, but it was the only time I had a time restriction put on me. That same accusation always only happened when I was crossing the border alone. They've never hassled me when I was with my husband or other family or companions. I think perhaps they probably get more suspicious with people who are travelling alone instead of travelling with companions or family with their reasoning being that if (a woman in particular) is alone then she can't be on vacation because no woman travels or vacations alone and so she must be travelling to look for work and is trying to bypass the system.

My husband died not long ago and I have not been back across the border since then and have no intention of ever travelling to USA again. I'm a retired senior and getting too old for putting up with their nonsense any more.

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Thanks for this Zoisite! The U.S is one of the more challenging countries to get into.
Thorough line of questioning... I'd say 95 percent of the countries I've visited are easier to get into - often they don't even ask a question just stamp the passport and that's it. Very stress free!

Personally I wouldn't spend anymore than 1 or 2 weeks in the U.S at a time.. There are so many other places that are very interesting to visit - climate as or better and where the dollar stretches a lot further and they aren't so suspicious. You might have to invest more in airfare but once there very economical especially long duration stays.

Sorry to hear about your husband!

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Old 06-08-2015, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yeah. It was just one guy who did it. The guy was in a snit and having a bad day (which I think is actually a common occurence). For decades we'd owned a little single room cabin on an acre at Leavenworth, Wa. (a Bavarian ski resort village in the Cascades) - my husband (a dual citizen) built it all by himself in the 60's and it was used frequently by all members of the extended family in both Canada and America as a get-away vacation place in summer, or to stay at for skiing in winter. So the snitty border guy got verbally abusive with me and accused me of going to the cabin for the purpose of making crafts sales at the resort because I had some of my sewing and hobby craft supplies with me to work on in the evenings at the cabin. No TV or anything, what else was I supposed to do in the evenings besides reading? He got all sarcastic and snarky about how nice it must be for Canadians to own property in America and have a place to stay at when they came to America to take jobs away from honest, hard-working Americans who didn't have a pot to pee in .... (yes, he really said that) .... and on and on and on he went and then finally he said okay but only for 3 weeks.

It's not the first time I've been accused by border guards of visiting America to look for work in spite of offering proof of profession and occupation and a husband and dependent family here at home, but it was the only time I had a time restriction put on me. That same accusation always only happened when I was crossing the border alone. They've never hassled me when I was with my husband or other family or companions. I think perhaps they probably get more suspicious with people who are travelling alone instead of travelling with companions or family with their reasoning being that if (a woman in particular) is alone then she can't be on vacation because no woman travels or vacations alone and so she must be travelling to look for work and is trying to bypass the system.

My husband died not long ago and I have not been back across the border since then and have no intention of ever travelling to USA again. I'm a retired senior and getting too old for putting up with their nonsense any more.

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I've had similiar, but not quite as bad. From what I've heard is the US Customs are moved around so even those working at the Peace Arch crossing etc, are not from the area. Many haven't even been to Vancouver. Some have worked on the border between the US and Mexico, and are in " everyone wants to sneak into the US for a better life mode ". Which of course is a ridiculous stance to take with Canadians.

It was worse after 9/11. Really rude guards, even screaming like drill sergeants at someone who dared asked to repeat what they said.
A lot of it I think is ignorance on the part of the guards.

Now I find it's better. I haven't had anything weird happen in my last 10 crossings or so.

Condolences on your loss.
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Thanks for this Zoisite! The U.S is one of the more challenging countries to get into.
Thorough line of questioning... I'd say 95 percent of the countries I've visited are easier to get into - often they don't even ask a question just stamp the passport and that's it. Very stress free!

Personally I wouldn't spend anymore than 1 or 2 weeks in the U.S at a time.. There are so many other places that are very interesting to visit - climate as or better and where the dollar stretches a lot further and they aren't so suspicious. You might have to invest more in airfare but once there very economical especially long duration stays.

Sorry to hear about your husband!
The only other place that I found strange was Switzerland. We were just passing through on the train, and the customs guys were arrogant and rude.
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Old 06-11-2015, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Toronto,Ontario, Canada
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I think if you break timeline then they will take a serious action as per contract rules.
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:19 AM
 
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Yeah. It was just one guy who did it. The guy was in a snit and having a bad day (which I think is actually a common occurence). For decades we'd owned a little single room cabin on an acre at Leavenworth, Wa. (a Bavarian ski resort village in the Cascades) - my husband (a dual citizen) built it all by himself in the 60's and it was used frequently by all members of the extended family in both Canada and America as a get-away vacation place in summer, or to stay at for skiing in winter. So the snitty border guy got verbally abusive with me and accused me of going to the cabin for the purpose of making crafts sales at the resort because I had some of my sewing and hobby craft supplies with me to work on in the evenings at the cabin. No TV or anything, what else was I supposed to do in the evenings besides reading? He got all sarcastic and snarky about how nice it must be for Canadians to own property in America and have a place to stay at when they came to America to take jobs away from honest, hard-working Americans who didn't have a pot to pee in .... (yes, he really said that) .... and on and on and on he went and then finally he said okay but only for 3 weeks.

It's not the first time I've been accused by border guards of visiting America to look for work in spite of offering proof of profession and occupation and a husband and dependent family here at home, but it was the only time I had a time restriction put on me. That same accusation always only happened when I was crossing the border alone. They've never hassled me when I was with my husband or other family or companions. I think perhaps they probably get more suspicious with people who are travelling alone instead of travelling with companions or family with their reasoning being that if (a woman in particular) is alone then she can't be on vacation because no woman travels or vacations alone and so she must be travelling to look for work and is trying to bypass the system.

My husband died not long ago and I have not been back across the border since then and have no intention of ever travelling to USA again. I'm a retired senior and getting too old for putting up with their nonsense any more.

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Fully understand.

We have crossed so many times and have experienced both the worst and the best of their behaviour selectively towards Canadians. Within a week of going through a very stressful and angst ridden 2 hour secondary inspection search crossing, we've witnessed the crossing at Algodonez Mx allowing people to cross into the U.S. in vehicles without even questioning them..

The second time we were treated roughly was a direct flight to Florida being missed due to us being randomly selected for secondary questioning only to be left sitting for over an hour before even being talked to. That one involved an overnight stay at Pearson due to no more flights out being available through partnered airlines.

Told later it was a job action due to the looming "sequestration" of budget needing 11th hour approval and these azzhats weren't getting any overtime pay to process the same number of flights SOOOOO, pizz off the Canadians and cause the airlines aggravation to make your freak'n point?

73 people in all were held back with missed flights that one single day. The airlines were scrambling and mightily upset but hey.......it's only Canadians, eh?

The people down there and the friends we've made along with all the wonderful amenities keep us hooked but gads it's a stressful crap-shoot getting there.
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:42 PM
 
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Blaine has a bad reputation as does Toronto Pearson. You are also correct in your observation that I feel like many of the agents don't have a clue about the border region on the other side. One would think that knowing the area on the other side would make you a better agent. Then there was this idiot...

A couple of years ago, I was coming back from a concert at Casino Windsor. The artist was Stevie Wonder and the customs agent asked me: "what's a matter, aren't U.S. musicians good enough for you."
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