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Old 06-10-2015, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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It's interesting watching the CBC's coverage of the issues with the Senate, yet apparently they have widespread problems of their own in their ranks. When will this unnecessary burden to Canadian taxpayers and poster child of left-wing entitlement in Canada finally be done away with?

Evan Solomon let go by CBC News in wake of alleged secret art deals - Canada - CBC News
Ken, those against " left - wing entitlement " have contacted me to tell you, that your taxes will be lowered by a few hundred next year.
Starting then, you are now no longer part of the " left-wing" universal healthcare commune. You are now free to pay fully your own medical costs. The option of private insurance is not available for you, but insurance is really what you have given up here in the first place, just a different kind, so I'm sure that part won't bother your self reliant wonderfulness.

Good luck, and more importantly, Good health !!
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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It's interesting watching the CBC's coverage of the issues with the Senate, yet apparently they have widespread problems of their own in their ranks. When will this unnecessary burden to Canadian taxpayers and poster child of left-wing entitlement in Canada finally be done away with?

Evan Solomon let go by CBC News in wake of alleged secret art deals - Canada - CBC News
I'm a little unclear on this.

Solomon, a journalist employed by the ber-left CBC, brokered an art deal between Bruce Bailey, Mark "Thick as a Brick" Carney and Jim "Is it Still 2008?" Basillie. Furthermore, he disclosed said dealings to his employer earlier this year.

Now, despite two of the people involved in this deal having the collective IQ of a clown shoe, how exactly does this constitute a conflict of interest? Its not like Solomon was going rogue while working for Sotheby's or something.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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The bold part is actually pretty funny, but the fact that you can't see the "conflict of interest" here or why it's a problem, isnot....

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I'm a little unclear on this.

Solomon, a journalist employed by the ber-left CBC, brokered an art deal between Bruce Bailey, Mark "Thick as a Brick" Carney and Jim "Is it Still 2008?" Basillie. Furthermore, he disclosed said dealings to his employer earlier this year.

Now, despite two of the people involved in this deal having the collective IQ of a clown shoe, how exactly does this constitute a conflict of interest? Its not like Solomon was going rogue while working for Sotheby's or something.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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Why?

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Ken, those against " left - wing entitlement " have contacted me to tell you, that your taxes will be lowered by a few hundred next year.
Starting then, you are now no longer part of the " left-wing" universal healthcare commune. You are now free to pay fully your own medical costs. The option of private insurance is not available for you, but insurance is really what you have given up here in the first place, just a different kind, so I'm sure that part won't bother your self reliant wonderfulness.

Good luck, and more importantly, Good health !!
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Why?
Because in Canada you can't get private insurance for things that are covered by your provincial health insurance.
So you have two options to rid yourself of this " leftist " way of covering healthcare. Pay your full way, meaning the full costs a doctor or hospital would bill an insurance company OR find out the costs of private Health insurance in the US as an example. Take that, PLUS all the little extras that are tagged onto that insurance when you actually use it. Take that money and donate it to charity or your local hospital.

That way you can be living your " anti-leftist " dream and not taint yourself.

However I suspect, like a lot of blowhards who use term's like leftists, that you won't. You are perfectly happy using the system while complaining about leftist ideology, while benefitting from it.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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Because in Canada you can't get private insurance for things that are covered by your provincial health insurance.
So you have two options to rid yourself of this " leftist " way of covering healthcare. Pay your full way, meaning the full costs a doctor or hospital would bill an insurance company OR find out the costs of private Health insurance in the US as an example. Take that, PLUS all the little extras that are tagged onto that insurance when you actually use it. Take that money and donate it to charity or your local hospital.

That way you can be living your " anti-leftist " dream and not taint yourself.

However I suspect, like a lot of blowhards who use term's like leftists, that you won't. You are perfectly happy using the system while complaining about leftist ideology, while benefitting from it.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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LOL. That is usually what happens. I have yet to find anyone to actually live by their words when they start throwing mud at perceived lefty entitlement.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Not sure why you've decided to twist the CBC's left-wing entitlement into a discussion about public health care, but health care is certainly not the brain child of radical leftist activists, rather has been a norm in most societies, the only difference being the level of medical knowledge. Traditionally medical expenses were not high, but in our modern world with technological advances making most medical care unrealistically high for the individual, the government has imposed a public health care system. In the case of Ontario, OHIP came into being under a PC government, not a socialist or Communist regime, so I have no problem with it. I do have an issue with the health premium, though, because I believe this is the result of leftist mismanagement of the health care system and people abusing the system. I certainly don't rely on the health care system - I've used it a grand total of once in the last 20 years, no fault of my own, and that consisted of waiting about two hours in a hospital and then being asked a few questions by a nurse (I was actually just getting up to leave when my name was called). My health is probably not 100%, but I get on fine and I know from my family history that I have superior genetics that will likely ensure me longevity, although I don't care to live past 70 or so. I'm sure that I've had a few aches and pains and "fevers" that send most other Canadians scrambling for the ER, but I endure them and eventually it gets better. So yeah, actually, I do walk the talk and I long ago came to terms with my own mortality. I don't believe that I have to live my life according to the current bleeding-heart squeezing every possible day out of my life craze and then have the health care system artificially prolong my life for some sort of ethical reasons. Also despite the current system, were I to incur a serious medical expense, I would actually try to find ways of paying some or all of it back, or paying to forward.

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Because in Canada you can't get private insurance for things that are covered by your provincial health insurance.
So you have two options to rid yourself of this " leftist " way of covering healthcare. Pay your full way, meaning the full costs a doctor or hospital would bill an insurance company OR find out the costs of private Health insurance in the US as an example. Take that, PLUS all the little extras that are tagged onto that insurance when you actually use it. Take that money and donate it to charity or your local hospital.

That way you can be living your " anti-leftist " dream and not taint yourself.

However I suspect, like a lot of blowhards who use term's like leftists, that you won't. You are perfectly happy using the system while complaining about leftist ideology, while benefitting from it.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Not sure why you've decided to twist the CBC's left-wing entitlement into a discussion about public health care, but health care is certainly not the brain child of radical leftist activists, rather has been a norm in most societies, the only difference being the level of medical knowledge. Traditionally medical expenses were not high, but in our modern world with technological advances making most medical care unrealistically high for the individual, the government has imposed a public health care system. In the case of Ontario, OHIP came into being under a PC government, not a socialist or Communist regime, so I have no problem with it. I do have an issue with the health premium, though, because I believe this is the result of leftist mismanagement of the health care system and people abusing the system. I certainly don't rely on the health care system - I've used it a grand total of once in the last 20 years, no fault of my own, and that consisted of waiting about two hours in a hospital and then being asked a few questions by a nurse (I was actually just getting up to leave when my name was called). My health is probably not 100%, but I get on fine and I know from my family history that I have superior genetics that will likely ensure me longevity, although I don't care to live past 70 or so. I'm sure that I've had a few aches and pains and "fevers" that send most other Canadians scrambling for the ER, but I endure them and eventually it gets better. So yeah, actually, I do walk the talk and I long ago came to terms with my own mortality. I don't believe that I have to live my life according to the current bleeding-heart squeezing every possible day out of my life craze and then have the health care system artificially prolong my life for some sort of ethical reasons. Also despite the current system, were I to incur a serious medical expense, I would actually try to find ways of paying some or all of it back, or paying to forward.
I brought it in because of your childish rantings of " leftists" Universal Healthcare is an idea from the left. Private insurance systems, business based, are considered politically right.

In Canada it certainly was an idea from the left. Tommy Douglas?

The opposition for Universal Care usually comes from the right. Just look to the US.

In Canada we never used to banter around terms like "leftist " and catch phrases such as " left-wing entitlement" until recently. An effect, no doubt from the political influence south of us.

We used to work better together. PROGRESSIVE Conservatives did indeed catch on and support it. So much so that the vast majority of Canadians support some sort of universal system.

Your statement "I've used it a grand total of once in the last 20 years," seems to suggest that you are of the mind, that since YOU are fine, the heck with everyone else. You begrudge the system...which actually saves you money, since ANY premiums you would have to pay in the private sector would be higher than you currently pay.

Most people medical bills accumulate in the last few years of their lives. Your's probably will too. We the people of Canada WILL pick up that cost, because most of us believe that healthcare is a right.

You say that if you were to incur serious medical expense that you would find a way to pay it back. How?
Cancer is a very expensive disease. Could be a million dollars in care, or more. Heck a broken leg can set you back thousands.

You have the option though already, to pay the actual cost or donate what private insurance premiums would cost, and you don't. Hence proving my point, you're all talk and no action.
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Old 06-10-2015, 01:15 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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I brought it in because of your childish rantings of " leftists" Universal Healthcare is an idea from the left. Private insurance systems, business based, are considered politically right.
Not to get involved in the ridiculous little spat you and Ken are engaging in, but when did Universal Healthcare and Private insurance become mutually exclusive? They play the same role in how the healthcare system is funded and administered in most countries around the world.
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