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Old 06-21-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Ontario
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Karl Peladeau has claimed that Canada is "not even a real country" and that Quebec never signed the Canada Act of 1982, which gave Canada independence from the UK. The media mogul who in May won the PQ leadership has steamed ahead in Quebec polls which show the province is warming to him. Unlike other PQ leaders who have traditionally been socialist, he is the first to shift the party to a more business-oriented platform.

Peladeau has also affirmed that Canada's bilingual-bicultural model is a myth that exists only in imagination. "So, if there's an imaginary country, it's the one that the premier had so much hoped for and we know that it is an optical illusion...it's the famous co-operative federalism,".

Is this man who will achieve Quebec's independence?
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Old 06-21-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Gaining steam? The latest I've heard is than over 60 percent oppose separating and the numbers are even higher in young people aged 18-24.

As the old guard dies, it looks like the idea of separation may be dying with them.
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Old 06-21-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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It's just sensationalism, attention grabbing and trying real hard not to be forgotten.
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Old 06-21-2015, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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Gaining steam? The latest I've heard is than over 60 percent oppose separating and the numbers are even higher in young people aged 18-24.

As the old guard dies, it looks like the idea of separation may be dying with them.
Actually the numbers are about 60's percentile in ages 18-24. It is not what one will name secure, considering we have been shown to radically change our support based on government decisions that may seem minor in English Canada.

Seperation isn't dying. I wish people from outside of Québec would stop saying this every year because it is always here if you are actually familiar with Québec. Jambo is a good authority for Québec (even if he can be controversial) he knows what he is talking about instead of just using news sources. A good way to tell if someone is clueless about Québec is when they say that seperatism is a dying trait.

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Old 06-21-2015, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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Karl Peladeau has claimed that Canada is "not even a real country" and that Quebec never signed the Canada Act of 1982, which gave Canada independence from the UK. The media mogul who in May won the PQ leadership has steamed ahead in Quebec polls which show the province is warming to him. Unlike other PQ leaders who have traditionally been socialist, he is the first to shift the party to a more business-oriented platform.

Peladeau has also affirmed that Canada's bilingual-bicultural model is a myth that exists only in imagination. "So, if there's an imaginary country, it's the one that the premier had so much hoped for and we know that it is an optical illusion...it's the famous co-operative federalism,".

Is this man who will achieve Quebec's independence?
As for Canada being a type of myth Péladeau is 100% correct. Cooperative federalism is badly exagerrated.
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Old 06-21-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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Actually the numbers are about 60's percentile in ages 18-24. It is not what one will name secure, considering we have been shown to radically change our support based on government decisions that may seem minor in English Canada.

Seperation isn't dying. I wish people from outside of Québec would stop saying this every year because it is always here if you are actually familiar with Québec. Jambo is a good authority for Québec (even if he can be controversial) he knows what he is talking about instead of just using news sources. A good way to tell if someone is clueless about Québec is when they say that seperatism is a dying trait.
So to make your point, you used a news source??
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Old 06-21-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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So to make your point, you used a news source??
I just posted a picture of Peladeau, but sure I'll play your little game, do you really think you know something about Québec? You already have made clear, you don't live in Quebec, don't speak the language, actually you have nothing to do with Québec at all except an assimilated family member. It is no different than the average American or British person, but at least they don't pretend to be familiar with Québec and actually ask questions when they don't know (like mini apple less). Once again I think this is why Jambo who lives in Québec is one of the only anglo regular posters on City Data who knows what he is talking about, even if it is sometimes the negatives of Québec.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Canada is real but the primary real footing it does have is its legal status; otherwise it is like ~4-6 different countries (at least from an economic standpoint)...

But, before granting Quebec any additional powers that would otherwise be of federal jurisdiction, it would perhaps be preferrable to grant the federal powers already given to Quebec to other provinces first. The result will be highly decentralized, I know, but sometimes the provinces really do know better than the federal government on some issues.
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Old 06-21-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Karl Peladeau has claimed that Canada is "not even a real country" The media mogul who in May won the PQ leadership has steamed ahead in Quebec polls which show the province is warming to him.
Peladeau has also affirmed that Canada's bilingual-bicultural model is a myth that exists only in imagination.
Is this man who will achieve Quebec's independence?
Expect more of this anti Canada rhetoric from this megalomaniac PKP, he makes no bones about his goals,he wants Quebec independence in a big way and is going to do whatever it takes to achieve his objectives. Being a media mogul with assets close to a billion attests to the mans power and business acumen.( OK he inherited most of it )
I'm kinda liking this guy,very entertaining.and who knows maybe one day in the near future he may succeed in his objectives.

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Old 06-21-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I just posted a picture of Peladeau, but sure I'll play your little game, do you really think you know something about Québec? You already have made clear, you don't live in Quebec, don't speak the language, actually you have nothing to do with Québec at all except an assimilated family member. It is no different than the average American or British person, but at least they don't pretend to be familiar with Québec and actually ask questions when they don't know (like mini apple less). Once again I think this is why Jambo who lives in Québec is one of the only anglo regular posters on City Data who knows what he is talking about, even if it is sometimes the negatives of Québec.
Sorry don't believe you about the photo. You could of easily found other photos, and why bother posting just a photo? It's not exactly a rebuttal.

Family members plural, plus friends and visits. By your definition since you don't live in " English Canada, you shouldn't be speaking about it. Just because you speak English doesn't automatically make you an expert.
The ROC has a voice in the discussion of Quebec and separation. Deal with it.

Game? Ya see, this is where people like you like to shut down debate and simply try and nullify another Canadian opinions simply because they don't live in Quebec or speak Quebecois. Do you restrict yourself ONLY to issues that fall within your narrow views of who is allowed to participate? Sounds almost xenophobic.

Simple fact. Legally Quebec can not separate from Canada without Canada consenting. From Google

"Supreme Court says Quebec can't separate unilaterally. The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that Quebec cannot separate from Canada unilaterally. The court was asked by the federal government to make a legal judgement on Quebec separation.Aug 8, 1999"

So if you want to play hardball with the ROC, go ahead.
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