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Old 08-07-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ♥ 🍁 ♥
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Thriving in the past - like 30 years ago.

I think it's just a single pseudo intellectual using a couple of other sock puppets to converse with himself since they all write and express exactly like the same pretentious person.

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Old 08-07-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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The sheepish mentality of Canada steams on.
And you would know sheep from shinola how exactly? Once we establish that, perhaps then we can discuss mentality, eh?
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Old 08-09-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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City data members, is Canadian political correctness out of control?

The first example are the human rights tribunals. In one case a man was fined $4,000 in hurt feelings for commenting that he "likes visible minorities".

Health Canada scientist gets $4,000 for 'hurt feelings'

Another example is the firing of Toronto firefighters after they joked about women on their personal Facebook pages and Twitter accounts. Toronto firefighters have since been ordered to undergo sensitivity training to avoid hurting anyone's feelings while in the line of duty.

Two Toronto firefighters terminated over 'unacceptable' sexist tweets, third reportedly fired over Facebook post | National Post

One more example is that of William Whatcott, a pro-traditional marriage supporter who publicly rallied for the definition of marriage being between a man and a woman. Whatcott was slapped down for spreading "hate speech" and fined $17,500.

Even the famous American media troll Ann Coulter was banned from speaking at Canadian universities. That's right, universities - the bastion of free thought and freedom of speech (in some countries). Although her discourse is harmless and often just laughable, Canada (against the wished of many pro-free speech Canadians) felt the need to shut her up. It isn't different to what Eminem faced a few years ago when he was nearly banned from Ontario for inciting "hate speech" with his lyrics. Seriously?

The typical response of many Canadians is to shut up perspectives that they don't want to hear about. If it isn't approved by the powers that be, then don't express that view. Canadian political correctness is spiraling out of control. American readers who are familiar with concepts such as "freedom of speech" would be shocked to see that this concept hasn't penetrated into Canada. Many will tell you point blank, they are proud not have this "American" institution in Canada. You better make sure that what you are about to say is approved, or else.
In practice Canada has been pretty good on ensuring fundamental free speech protections. The HRC's are a definite perversion. These extra-judicial tribunals must be stopped.

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This is Canada, not America.

Freedom of Speech is an American concept and has no place in Canada. If someone is saying something that hurts someone else's feelings than the government is right in their efforts to fine and/or jail them.

Want to talk about whatever you want and freely make jokes at another's expense? Then don't come to Canada. Follow the rules of speech or you might find yourself in a bit of trouble. If you don't like it then stay in the US. It's not a lot to ask. We don't have to apologize to anyone.
From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Lois du Canada :
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
  • (a) freedom of conscience and religion;
  • (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
  • (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
  • (d) freedom of association.
Care to comment?
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Old 08-10-2015, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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In practice Canada has been pretty good on ensuring fundamental free speech protections. The HRC's are a definite perversion. These extra-judicial tribunals must be stopped.
Not necessarily. They were set up to address discrimination issues--"discrimination," under Canadian law, being defined as, "denial of services, or differential treatment in provision of services." They were not designed to deal with insults against an individual or group. The landlord who says, "I hate Martians" cannot be prosecuted; the landlord who says, "I won't rent to Martians because they're dirty and smelly" can be. In the former case, he's expressing an opinion; in the latter case, he is denying Martians the chance to rent an apartment. See how it is supposed to work?

When the HR commissions and tribunals do what they were designed to do, they do pretty well. I speak from experience; I have prosecuted and defended various things through federal and provincial HR tribunals, most of them involving disabled clients.

However. No matter how well-intentioned they are, they are not always run by people who know the law. They are sometimes run by people who entertain "hurt feelings" and "insult" issues; and who give the HR tribunals a bad name domestically; and Canada a bad name internationally, as regards "free speech" issues. These folks think that they are judge and jury, shaping law through decisions, when they are nothing more than administrative functionaries, whose decisions can always be appealed to a real court, which will apply real law.

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Old 08-10-2015, 11:02 PM
 
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However. No matter how well-intentioned they are, they are not always run by people who know the law. They are sometimes run by people who entertain "hurt feelings" and "insult" issues; and who give the HR tribunals a bad name domestically; and Canada a bad name internationally, as regards "free speech" issues. These folks think that they are judge and jury, shaping law through decisions, when they are nothing more than administrative functionaries, whose decisions can always be appealed to a real court, which will apply real law.
^^^
This. And it's frightening when you run into one of the true believers who doesn't get or who deliberately ignores the incontrovertible fact that many HRCs don't have the jurisdiction they wish they had. Those folks can be the worst kind of clipboard-wielding social justice warriors. Their excesses of jurisdiction often end up causing innocent people all kinds of emotional and financial distress.
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:06 AM
 
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Witness the recent furor over this clown visiting Canada and spouting his particular brand of crappola.

The man Canada couldn

His brand of nonsense might be contentious and even anger provoking but I'm personally glad the HRC was not invoked to prevent his appearances.

I watched Toronto council member Norm Kelly making an appeal for venue denial while at the same time being very careful to separate his appeal from any appearance of invoking Canada's HRC to act based upon rumour and suspicion only.

We might not like the message or the messenger but allowing ourselves to be motivated by personal discomfort as regards hearing things we do not like is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Old 08-12-2015, 11:57 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Witness the recent furor over this clown visiting Canada and spouting his particular brand of crappola.

The man Canada couldn

His brand of nonsense might be contentious and even anger provoking but I'm personally glad the HRC was not invoked to prevent his appearances.

I watched Toronto council member Norm Kelly making an appeal for venue denial while at the same time being very careful to separate his appeal from any appearance of invoking Canada's HRC to act based upon rumour and suspicion only.

We might not like the message or the messenger but allowing ourselves to be motivated by personal discomfort as regards hearing things we do not like is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I agree. Freedom is not for cowards. Let people make fools of themselves.

Heck, even if the U.S. had HRC's they shouldn't stop Donald Trump. Better people like The Donald or this guy just make touchholes of themselves.
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