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Old 07-12-2015, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Canada
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City data members, is Canadian political correctness out of control?

The first example are the human rights tribunals. In one case a man was fined $4,000 in hurt feelings for commenting that he "likes visible minorities".

Health Canada scientist gets $4,000 for 'hurt feelings'

Another example is the firing of Toronto firefighters after they joked about women on their personal Facebook pages and Twitter accounts. Toronto firefighters have since been ordered to undergo sensitivity training to avoid hurting anyone's feelings while in the line of duty.

Two Toronto firefighters terminated over 'unacceptable' sexist tweets, third reportedly fired over Facebook post | National Post

One more example is that of William Whatcott, a pro-traditional marriage supporter who publicly rallied for the definition of marriage being between a man and a woman. Whatcott was slapped down for spreading "hate speech" and fined $17,500.

Even the famous American media troll Ann Coulter was banned from speaking at Canadian universities. That's right, universities - the bastion of free thought and freedom of speech (in some countries). Although her discourse is harmless and often just laughable, Canada (against the wished of many pro-free speech Canadians) felt the need to shut her up. It isn't different to what Eminem faced a few years ago when he was nearly banned from Ontario for inciting "hate speech" with his lyrics. Seriously?

The typical response of many Canadians is to shut up perspectives that they don't want to hear about. If it isn't approved by the powers that be, then don't express that view. Canadian political correctness is spiraling out of control. American readers who are familiar with concepts such as "freedom of speech" would be shocked to see that this concept hasn't penetrated into Canada. Many will tell you point blank, they are proud not have this "American" institution in Canada. You better make sure that what you are about to say is approved, or else.

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Old 07-12-2015, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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This is Canada, not America.

Freedom of Speech is an American concept and has no place in Canada. If someone is saying something that hurts someone else's feelings than the government is right in their efforts to fine and/or jail them.

Want to talk about whatever you want and freely make jokes at another's expense? Then don't come to Canada. Follow the rules of speech or you might find yourself in a bit of trouble. If you don't like it then stay in the US. It's not a lot to ask. We don't have to apologize to anyone.
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:31 PM
 
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If someone is saying something that hurts someone else's feelings than the government is right in their efforts to fine and/or jail them.
That doesn't sound just a wee bit oppressive to you? I hurt your feelings, so I belong in jail?
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:31 PM
 
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A good analysis of the compromise necessary to keep unbridled freedom of expression from negatively impacting OTHER rights and freedoms:

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Hopefully notice will be given that "hurt feelings" do not qualify for prosecution under the hate speech laws.
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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PBeauchamp That's the same thing Marc LeMire of the Human Rights Commission said about freedom of speech.

"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value... It's not my job to give value to an American concept." - Marc Lemire (Lead Canadian Human Rights Commission Investigator)

Thanks for perfectly illustrating my point.
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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That doesn't sound just a wee bit oppressive to you? I hurt your feelings, so I belong in jail?
It's not oppressive, we just don't need to adhere to American ideologies. You can keep your so called "free speech" and we'll keep our polite society.
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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PBeauchamp That's the same thing Marc LeMire of the Human Rights Commission said about freedom of speech.

"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value... It's not my job to give value to an American concept." - Marc Lemire (Lead Canadian Human Rights Commission Investigator)

Thanks for perfectly illustrating my point.
What point would that be? We should all have unbridled rights to incite hatred towards identifiable person's or minority groups? We should have the right to express ourselves in a racist fashion towards identifiable minorities regardless?

That's just the way we roll in Canada; speech that is clearly defined as "hate speech" has no redeemable value and therefore does not, nor should it, get protection.

Gonna get your panties in a wad 'cause you can't incite hatred towards an identifiable minority in a racist manner, perhaps Canada is not the place for you.
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:47 PM
 
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Even the far left wing American group called The Young Turks has called out Canadian free speech hypocrisy for what it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo3aLzkYieo

Great thread, Matt. Hopefully the government won't block this website to create an "approved" City-data.com.ca the way they block Netflix, Youtube, and other sites and made an "approved" Canadian versions that don't feature "unapproved" things.
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Old 07-12-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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An older assessment in comparison but worthy of a read nonetheless and I would refer those on here spouting inanities to pay particular attention to article IV page 15 of this analysis to get an idea this thread was started on a faux premise of using the term "hurt feelings" as a benchmark as it would apply to Canada alone. Re: Chaplinsky VS State of New Hampshire

http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/...20&context=lcp

Most would think that anyone complaining about being called a "damned facist" or "a god damned racketeer" was simply suffering from hurt feelings, would they not? Apparently the SCOTUS thought otherwise.

Regardless of two subsequent modifications made to it's definition of fighting words, that case stands to this day as a benchmark with no alternative approach or repudiation of it's wording.
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Old 07-12-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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PBeauchamp That's the same thing Marc LeMire of the Human Rights Commission said about freedom of speech.

"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value... It's not my job to give value to an American concept." - Marc Lemire (Lead Canadian Human Rights Commission Investigator)

Thanks for perfectly illustrating my point.
Marc LeMire is right. We are getting along just fine and don't need American style "freedom of speech" aka people freely going around saying whatever they want.

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That doesn't sound just a wee bit oppressive to you? I hurt your feelings, so I belong in jail?
It's not oppressive at all. Some of us find the American style concept of saying and doing whatever you want whenever you want oppressive. That is why we are Canada and you are America. We just have different ways of doing things.
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