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Old 08-10-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Common sense tells us that the size of the black population may be the reason why it is so uncommon. Chances are these guys who were involved in the beating went through the majority of their lives not having much contact with black people (There are only 100 of them total in that town) so they never had a reason to express their racist tendencies. So if they never got into an altercation with this gentlemen they could have easily waltzed through life pretending to be as "tolerant" as they wanted.

Imagine if you introduced a quarter million black folks into the Vancouver metro like Toronto for example, you dont think that you would start hearing more about police involved shootings, racial profiling or carding, racist comments thrown around speaking about Jamaicans and Somali's criminality? Easy to pretend to be accepting when you are never faced with much of an opportunity to be otherwise.

Conversely this also contributes to the perception that Asians are not as accepted in BC as other Provinces. Once again more opportunity to express those biases, even though on balance I am sure Asian people enjoy a very good standard of life in BC.
Courtenay, where I believe this event happened, has a population of 24,000. 100 people is .41 percent of the population.

Not a huge number I admit. However we don't have all the facts of this story. Were these idiots born and bred in Courtenay or even B.C.

I think there actions are horrible, but their racism would of spilled out eventually, whether it's Toronto or anywhere else.

I for one, grew up in Vancouver at a time when we had much fewer blacks than we do now. My lack of contact did not develop into the racism shown in this story.

There is more going on here than just lack of contact.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Courtenay, where I believe this event happened, has a population of 24,000. 100 people is .41 percent of the population.

Not a huge number I admit. However we don't have all the facts of this story. Were these idiots born and bred in Courtenay or even B.C.

I think there actions are horrible, but their racism would of spilled out eventually, whether it's Toronto or anywhere else.

I for one, grew up in Vancouver at a time when we had much fewer blacks than we do now. My lack of contact did not develop into the racism shown in this story.

There is more going on here than just lack of contact.
The point of what I said was not to show that a lack of exposure instantly develops into full on racist tendencies, but rather that people who have racist tendencies do not have nearly as many opportunities to express them.

I have an uncle and aunt who live in New Westminster. They love the Vancouver area because its a nice city that is a good place to live. At the same time they have expressed how many well intentioned Vancouver residents make racially insensitive comments due to their ignorance when it comes to black people or black cultures. Comments ranging from hair texture, facial features and other culturally insensitive comments that stem from ignorance. So as I said, imagine if Vancouver was flooded with black folks, these people who view people like my Uncle and Aunt as a novelty, may start to resent having so many blacks around once they are exposed to them more often. It happens everywhere, no reason to think BC would be immune to these issues.

It is the reason why many black people gravitate towards places like Toronto. Despite the well documented racial issues (Carding, black police shootings, etc..) you still feel more comfortable being in a city that understands your culture, warts and all.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Courtenay, where I believe this event happened, has a population of 24,000. 100 people is .41 percent of the population.

Not a huge number I admit. However we don't have all the facts of this story. Were these idiots born and bred in Courtenay or even B.C.

I think there actions are horrible, but their racism would of spilled out eventually, whether it's Toronto or anywhere else.

I for one, grew up in Vancouver at a time when we had much fewer blacks than we do now. My lack of contact did not develop into the racism shown in this story.

There is more going on here than just lack of contact.
Northern Vancouver Island is more redneck/bubba than anywhere on the Prairies. It's a military/hard working/hard partying/homogenous area. Logging, commercial fishing, and related industries.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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At the same time they have expressed how many well intentioned Vancouver residents make racially insensitive comments due to their ignorance when it comes to black people or black cultures. Comments ranging from hair texture, facial features and other culturally insensitive comments that stem from ignorance. .
I often wonder if people are offended by this ignorance if they don't perceive any malicious intent.

I mean, "ignorance" is these days conflated with stupidity, but in actual fact it simply means that you don't know something. An ignorant person isn't necessarily stupid, much less mean.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:46 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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I often wonder if people are offended by this ignorance if they don't perceive any malicious intent.

I mean, "ignorance" is these days conflated with stupidity, but in actual fact it simply means that you don't know something. An ignorant person isn't necessarily stupid, much less mean.
I think it only gets offensive if its a repeated offense. When someone makes an ignorant statement it should be viewed as an opportunity to educate and most reasonable open minded people would appreciate someone doing that for them.

Then there are those that are told its insensitive and continue to repeat the same things or brush it off as "overreacting". Those are the ones that may have some level of malicious intent or are just too ignorant (or in this case stupid) for their own good.
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Old 08-10-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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It is the reason why many black people gravitate towards places like Toronto. Despite the well documented racial issues (Carding, black police shootings, etc..) you still feel more comfortable being in a city that understands your culture, warts and all.
Regarding the practice of carding, it can't be confused with necessarily having the support of all citizens of a place either. Its institutional racism or as I've pointed out to you, even homophobic by an institution - the TPS.. I think as more Torontonians become aware of this dubious practice and its implications it will become a thing of the past but it would be nice to see a groundswell of public support against it.

Do you think its days are numbered in Toronto?

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Old 08-11-2015, 08:13 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Regarding the practice of carding, it can't be confused with necessarily having the support of all citizens of a place either. Its institutional racism or as I've pointed out to you, even homophobic by an institution - the TPS.. I think as more Torontonians become aware of this dubious practice and its implications it will become a thing of the past but it would be nice to see a groundswell of public support against it.

Do you think its days are numbered in Toronto?
Oh in no way do I think that the majority of people in Toronto support carding as a practice. The same way I dont believe that most residents of NYC support Stop and Frisk. Unfortunately the people speak and the leaders are slow to follow. So while we are waiting for change, peoples lives are adversely affected.

Do I think its days are numbered? To an extent yes, I think it will go away eventually. But I do not think it will go away as quickly as people would like or expect.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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I find the results suspicious... What makes Atlantic Canada attractive?

With regarding to "visible minority" (a term I despise), I will still be one in ATL no matter how nicely people treat me. Here living and working in Toronto, I am not even a "visible minority". Definitely don't feel like one by looking around on the streets.

PS: the link doesn't see to work.
I despise it, too! I wished, Canadians stopped using this expression.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I despise it, too! I wished, Canadians stopped using this expression.
Start with the Canadian government then!
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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I despise it, too! I wished, Canadians stopped using this expression.
California has banned the use of "alien" to describe immigrants. Gov. Brown doesn't want California to use this word for immigrants - LA Times

SACRAMENTO — Gov. Jerry Brown signed a trio of immigration-related measures Monday, including one removing the word “alien” from California’s labor code because it is seen as a disparaging term for those not born in the United States.

I still remember the first time I had to click the box next to "nonresident alien" in my paperwork felt so strange.

We should really stop using the term "visible minority" - it feels so stupid and backwards, not to say often wrong (yeah, a Chinese is a visible minority in Vancouver).
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