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Old 09-18-2015, 04:15 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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A Hyundai Accent costs a fraction of what a Ferrari does. Are you seriously arguing that the Hyundai is "free" to those who want one?
I think it's fair to say that your analogy is borderline nonsensical.

Were you planning to cite any evidence for your assertion that U.S. health care, which ranks poorly by virtually every global metric, is... a Ferrari... whereas Canadian health care is... a Hyundai?

One area I can see that Canada doesn't rate highly is infant mortality. But of course, the U.S. infant mortality rate is even worse.
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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I think it's fair to say that your analogy is borderline nonsensical.
So is this moronic assertion that Canadian health care is free. I suppose you also think that our doctors work strictly for charity and our hospitals run on black magic.
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:23 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Soe is this moronic assertion that Canadian health care is free. I suppose you also think that our doctors work strictly for charity and our hospitals run on black magic.
Pretty sure we covered what "free" means (marginal cost = $0 for the patient). I do have a degree in Economics hanging on my wall here if you need more explanation in layperson terms?

And you don't feel like presenting any evidence at all for your ridiculous "Ferrari" assertion, eh? I understand.
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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Seeing how you don't understand what free actually means, why would I waste my time debating ideas with you that require something higher than a grade 2 education?

It's called a "dictionary". Look into it.
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:40 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Seeing how you don't understand what free actually means, why would I waste my time debating ideas with you that require something higher than a grade 2 education?

It's called a "dictionary". Look into it.
Cute. I do suggest you take some Econ courses, as you wouldn't be harping on this if you had. Since you brought up my education, I've taken about 17 of them. And several more tangentially related (mostly Securities Regulation related) in law school. Twenty in all.

But hey, what do I know right?

You've completely missed the point, of course, which is that Canadians get marginal cost of zero (would you have known what that means? That's why I said "free" to dumb it down for you) health care through their taxes. Americans pay even higher taxes and most do not receive any health care for it until they reach age 65.

It's not really something that can be substantively argued, which is why you are trying to make a purely semantic argument.
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Old 09-18-2015, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Seattle-WA-USA
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Seeing how you don't understand what free actually means, why would I waste my time debating ideas with you that require something higher than a grade 2 education?

It's called a "dictionary". Look into it.
Why do we need to repeat it to you..

We know its not "free", but it still assures that everyone will get it. That doesn't happen in America. Jeez it's like beating a dead horse.
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle-WA-USA
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No you're not. In the first line you gave them $125K Canadian v. $100K US in Denver.

What your fantasy doesn't note is that it's significantly more expensive to do anything in Calgary v. Denver, so your theoretical windfall doesn't really get you much.

Now in the real world where you work, you get paid $100K, whether it's in Canada or the US, there's an even greater disadvantage as your hampered by your currency of payment.
Not that I would ever live in either Calgary or Denver.

Cost of Living Comparison Between Calgary, Canada And Denver, CO, United States
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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It's all pretty much waste, but it's a matter of perspective of course. You made an argument that it's fine for American taxpayers to subsidize research for the entire rest of the world instead of covering more U.S. citizens for health care. I don't think that is fine at all. But it works out great for Canadians! They benefit from the U.S. research, and they get covered. For "free" (i.e., a marginal cost, to them, of $0). Better than free, really, when you consider they pay a lower rate of tax and get benefits that are significantly greater in return.

Also, "only" 4% to 6% is absurd when you take a moment to realize that inflation is around 0% to 1%. This is a time when health care costs should be flat, not increasing at a 5% premium to CPI.

But yeah, agree to disagree.
Just glanced at this as I have to run...but it looks like Canada does pretty good considering you have 9 time the population.


https://www.quora.com/What-countries...-past-20-years
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Not that I would ever live in either Calgary or Denver.

Cost of Living Comparison Between Calgary, Canada And Denver, CO, United States
Ditto
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:55 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Just glanced at this as I have to run...but it looks like Canada does pretty good considering you have 9 time the population.

https://www.quora.com/What-countries...-past-20-years
Good point. Looks like Edward was wrong.

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The fact remains that the US subsidizes much of the R&D expenses and the entire world benefits as a result.
So yeah, the point is taken. Canada pays lower tax rates, covers 100% of its population. The U.S. pays higher tax rates, covers less than 1/3rd of its population.

And yet Canada additionally still manages to put out its fair share of medical research even after covering all of those additional people. Amazing.
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