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Old 09-29-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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I've reread the posts made by Étienne Gauthier. Nothing there tips me off that he might not be a francophone from Montreal.
Other than the topic being so obscure as to be equivalent to mining for whale spit in Regina?

I can see legitimate concern emanating from something that is recent or currently being mentioned that would lead one to believe that a resurgence in Eastern political dominance being of concern but why would it matter in any case as the real dominance in Canadian politics has shifted to an economic influence placed on the country by world trade usurping the old boys network in the back rooms of "gentlemen's clubs" in Toronto & Montreal.
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Old 09-29-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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See right there is a clue; I am well aware of my limitations so do not pretend. What makes you so sure he's even a Canadian much less a French Canadian? Declare his country of origin in his profile did he? Now at post 17 and HIS topic about the Laurentian consensus was so important to him he's not been back since.
He's a francophone alright he has that trade mark victim mentality down pat, his quote=
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we were living in ghettos and most of us were working in factories a state akin to slavery and who were the bosses and the rich people exploiting us? The Anglos,
To elaborate on this frame of mind it doesnt equate that a few rich Anglos coming to Quebec and setting up huge industrial complexes that all Anglos were in that privileged class, These corporations used the local population to run the factories, a population that was a mix of Franco / Anglo and allophones working side by side in those factories,and they were all living in the same working class neighborhoods adjacent to the factories its only the francophone who considers these working class neighborhoods as ghettos.
As a side note many of those factories and neighborhoods are still functioning today,do the workers consider themselves slaves,do they consider their neighborhoods ghettos?
Etienne feel free to return and participate in the Laurentian Consensus that seems so important to you.

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Old 09-29-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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He's a francophone alright he has that trade mark victim mentality down pat, his quote=
To elaborate on this frame of mind it doesnt equate that a few rich Anglos coming to Quebec and setting up huge industrial complexes that all Anglos were in that privileged class, These corporations used the local population to run the factories, a population that was a mix of Franco / Anglo and allophones working side by side in those factories,and they were all living in the same working class neighborhoods adjacent to the factories its only the francophone who considers these working class neighborhoods as ghettos.
As a side note many of those factories and neighborhoods are still functioning today,do the workers consider themselves slaves,do they consider their neighborhoods ghettos?
Etienne feel free to return and participate in the Laurentian Consensus that seems so important to you.
Gad's; I spent 30 years or so of industrial relations tippy-toeing dealing with the pandering to Quebecers while demanding total compliance from divisions in the ROC.

Damned near caused a company-wide riot when returning employees from hockey tournaments and training courses told stories of how firing offences in all of the other factories across Canada were tolerated and even ignored in Quebec. All of the assurances on my part that "well, that will one day be their undoing" were so many feathers in the wind.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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It is unlikely that it will have any consequences whatsoever for our future.
Thank you for your nice response. I notice about half of the response on these threads are two to three of the same people trolling.

I disagree however. The shift to the west is not good for Quebec because our traditional role in Canada is diminished.
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Old 09-30-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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Thank you for your nice response. I notice about half of the response on these threads are two to three of the same people trolling.

I disagree however. The shift to the west is not good for Quebec because our traditional role in Canada is diminished.
Indeed it does. That is why I knew you were not trolling.
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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Thank you for your nice response. I notice about half of the response on these threads are two to three of the same people trolling.

I disagree however. The shift to the west is not good for Quebec because our traditional role in Canada is diminished.
And what traditional role would that be exactly?

Brother; Quebec resented Ontario for decades now it's the west in general; when has Quebec EVER been content. Even during the so-called Laurentian Consensus it was resentment of the "Anglo" power structure within Quebec calling the shots.

Now it's resentment of that 'previously resented influence' moving further west.

We're the trolls for casting a jaundiced eye and having little patience for yet another "accusatory" whinefest emanating from a Quebecer?

http://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2011/Hamilton.pdf

"Global trends, demography, and the ongoing constitutional impasse in Canada all serve to feed a sense of cultural insecurity among Quebecers. This anxiety is shaped by historical events and sustained by the sense that Quebec is a community whose values and culture are under perpetual threat. This is not an exclusive preoccupation of nationalists and it isn't obvious that sovereignty would allay these concerns since many of the trends that feed cultural insecurity are independent of Quebec's constitutional relationship with Canada."

Ergo: "We're feeling insecure and desperately need to continue to lay blame for this victimology we've grown up embracing, lest it be irrefutably confirmed whining like a two dollar, garage sale, leaf blower is simply a genetic predisposition."

Can't win, can't maintain, can't even appease, ...what's left for us Anglos other than total acquiescent compliance. Would indentured servitude suffice?
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Old 09-30-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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And what traditional role would that be exactly?

Brother; Quebec resented Ontario for decades now it's the west in general; when has Quebec EVER been content. Even during the so-called Laurentian Consensus it was resentment of the "Anglo" power structure within Quebec calling the shots.

Now it's resentment of that 'previously resented influence' moving further west.

We're the trolls for casting a jaundiced eye and having little patience for yet another "accusatory" whinefest emanating from a Quebecer?

http://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2011/Hamilton.pdf

"Global trends, demography, and the ongoing constitutional impasse in Canada all serve to feed a sense of cultural insecurity among Quebecers. This anxiety is shaped by historical events and sustained by the sense that Quebec is a community whose values and culture are under perpetual threat. This is not an exclusive preoccupation of nationalists and it isn't obvious that sovereignty would allay these concerns since many of the trends that feed cultural insecurity are independent of Quebec's constitutional relationship with Canada."

Ergo: "We're feeling insecure and desperately need to continue to lay blame for this victimology we've grown up embracing, lest it be irrefutably confirmed whining like a two dollar, garage sale, leaf blower is simply a genetic predisposition."

Can't win, can't maintain, can't even appease, ...what's left for us Anglos other than total acquiescent compliance. Would indentured servitude suffice?
Let's produce an academic paper about how Quebec is a whiny, demanding child, shall we?
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Old 09-30-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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Not an academic paper, but did see this article...

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Alberta voices have long been some of the most strident in speaking for the concerns of what’s come to be referred to as “Western alienation”, the sense that the Western provinces were shut out of a federal status quo led by decision-makers from Ontario and Quebec who made policy to benefit their regions, often at Western Canada’s expense. In particular, Quebec was seen as benefiting from federal attention and largesse, due in part to the efforts of Pierre Trudeau and later Prime Ministers to fight Quebec separation. Since the Quebec issue doesn’t seem to be solved, many people have concluded that the province is apparently just spoiled and that nothing will satisfy it.

The truth is that, as with Alberta, there’s much more to the story. Quebec writer Christian Dufour has noted that many Quebecers also feel alienated by a federal status quo that doesn’t recognize the unique situation that Quebec faces in North America, and insists on a political arrangement that favours the primacy of Anglophone culture, even as this same status quo prevents the Atlantic and Western parts of the country from fully participating in Confederation. Quebec francophones like Henri Bourassa spoke about describing Canada as being established by “two founding peoples”, with Quebec needing particular recognition as the only province in Canada with a francophone majority.

Pierre Trudeau obviously opposed this, but according to some critics in opposing the idea of duality Trudeau ended up supporting Anglo-American political ideas that didn’t fully recognize the distinct situation Quebec faced in Canada. Even Stéphane Dion, as Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs in Jean Chretien’s Cabinet in the 1990s, spoke of the need to recognize his province as a distinct society in the Constitution. It’s an open question whether such francophone Quebecers would see themselves as part of Ibbitson’s Laurentian Consensus. More likely, they would probably feel as alienated from it as many Albertans.
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Old 09-30-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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Let's produce an academic paper about how Quebec is a whiny, demanding child, shall we?
Just reading the posts in this forum is enough to prove the point,Cue old man river,The main content being poor mistreated francophones who suffered so much hard times at the hands of the terrible domineering and oppressing Anglophone overlords,the francophones were reduced to slave status living in ghettos being horribly mis treated, Now in todays milieu the francophones have their own province that is basically entirely French and the freedom to enact any laws they feel may protect their culture and an effort from Canada to have everything bilingual for them ,end result? we want more money,we arent happy, we need to rid Quebec of all non francophones, we gonna separate if we dont get what we want.
Quebec’s War on English: Language Politics Intensify in Canadian Province | TIME.com

Young Quebec anglophones feel they’re being pushed out | Montreal Gazette

Quebec language zealots’ anti-anglo message has a trickle-down effect | National Post

Cult MTL | This is why anglos want to leave Quebec
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Old 09-30-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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Let's produce an academic paper about how Quebec is a whiny, demanding child, shall we?
No need A/J, every parent can more than adequately describe and recognize the symptoms.

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