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Old 10-15-2015, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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That would still require a degree of decentralization that would leave few real responsibilities to the federal government and the provinces have the real power over the items that affect the population on a day-to-day basis... or otherwise much more decentralization than many in Anglo-Canada is willing to deal with.
I agree with the last bit more than the rest.

There is no optimal level of decentralization or centralization. You can go as far in one or the other direction as you want.

It isn't written on a stone tablet somewhere that the current division of powers in Canada is perfect and cannot be changed.

But I do realize that differing views in Quebec vs the rest of the country do put us in an impasse.
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Old 10-16-2015, 01:37 AM
 
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As usual we are one against nine. Maybe if lucky Alberta and Newfoundland will support a decentralization but we all know that this is not going to be favored by a majority.

I dont see all the other provinces conspiring against Quebec,this statement sounds like the usual Quebec francophone victim mentality, Can you give some examples to support that claim.
Also what does Alberta and Newfoundland becoming decentralized have to do with Quebec and separation?
As for the "shift to Canada West and the irrelevancy of Quebec"?Quebec over the last 50 years has chased much Business/jobs/money/brain power out of the province due to its strict language laws , high taxes and its never ending threat of separation.
IMO separation is Quebecs best option, If you are waiting for other provinces to lead the way in this course of action you will be waiting a long time.

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Old 10-16-2015, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Also what does Alberta and Newfoundland becoming decentralized have to do with Quebec and separation?
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Umm, he's not talking about AB and NL decentralizing within their provinces, he's talking about them joining QC in a push for Canada to become more decentralized.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I dont see all the other provinces conspiring against Quebec,this statement sounds like the usual Quebec francophone victim mentality, Can you give some examples to support that claim.
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Value judgements aside, the reality is that most other provinces have little interest in going to the wall alongside Quebec in order to try and push Ottawa to decentralize the federation more.

Federal-provincial conferences/talks in Canada typically go like this:

Ottawa wants to hold onto its power(s).

Quebec wants decentralization.

Quebec allies itself with a few other provinces (often Alberta and a few others) to push for more decentralization.

Ontario and other provinces generally ally with Ottawa on the anti-decentralization side.

Then there is a lot of pushing and shoving, including much behind the scenes.

In the end, when the chips are down Ottawa succeeds in getting all of the provinces to agree to its vision of things, except for Quebec of course.

On a handful of occasions Quebec has nonetheless been able to cut its own side deal, but in most cases it has had to go along with what Ottawa and the other provinces have decided.
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