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Old 11-06-2015, 10:31 PM
 
Location: British Columbia ♥ 🍁 ♥
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I am an American but do you want to know why?

If it weren't for the deeply friendly, peaceful border our military expenses would be a multiple of what they are now. The northern and Alaskan border are effectively undefended. We get little but friendship, admiration and a little jealousy from up north.

Do you want to know what a more typical border is like? The Gaza-Israel border. The Syrian or Iraqi border with the Islamic State. Pakistan's border with Israel. Turkey's border with Syria. Want a cold shower of reality. Go there, and then cross any U.S.-Canadian crossing.

Or go to Flanders and the poppy field. Or Juno Beach at Normandy. Their blood helped keep America and the West free.

Tell me why they're not important. Your views are a disgrace to any freedom-loving American.
I'm not sure where you're going with your response to me. I'm not interested in border crossings at other countries and I've already crossed the Canada-USA border more times than I can count.

My post that you have responded to was a response to some complaining Canadians who seem to be under the impression that America treats Canada very badly and they feel that America owes some kind of debt of gratitude and special attention and reverence to Canada. I do not agree with them.

Apparently you agree with them that America owes a big debt of gratitude and acknowledgement to Canada. Well maybe you're right. Maybe America does owe debts to Canada. So perhaps you, speaking as an American, can elaborate for us Canadians about why America owes anything to Canada, and maybe explain how you think America should go about paying what it owes to Canada. I'm sure plenty of Canadians would like to hear about that.

I'll tell you frankly, as I said right at the beginning of this topic, I would prefer that Americans ignore Canada and not pay any special attention to it. I'm not unhappy about Americans lacking knowledge about Canada and feeling that Canada is not worthy of American attention. I think it is safer for Canada that Americans believe Canada is irrelevant, harmless and backwards by comparison with America and safer for Canada if Americans ignore Canada.

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Old 11-06-2015, 11:10 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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So perhaps you, speaking as an American, can elaborate for us Canadians about why America owes anything to Canada, and maybe explain how you think America should go about paying what it owes to Canada. I'm sure plenty of Canadians would like to hear about that.
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As far as "why" I laid it out pretty well in my post. As far as how I didn't suggest payment. Just learning, knowledge and gratitude would do just fine. And supporting their economic projects over spacy environmentalism, such as the Keystone XL Pipeline.
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Old 11-06-2015, 11:30 PM
 
Location: State of Grace
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. None of the forums I've been to get any hate/trolls, but the Canada forum is constantly bombarded with it. But it's not just Citydata; ever since I told my siblings I wanted to immigrate to Canada, they've been making fun of it and talking about how America is better, SMH. I don't know why people like to make fun of Canada so much.

Don't let the haters get you down, though. Canada is awesome!

FWIW, I think that 'hate' is a strong word for what people do to knock countries, or even states, that are not their own. At its best, it's jesting. At its worst, it's teasing (which is considered a form of violence).

In Canada, people make jokes about Newfoundlanders and Polish people, and anglophones make fun of the French. The Scots make fun of the English and vice versa, and so on. I had a friend (may he rest in peace) who used to have as his sig. line on Internet forums:

It's wrong to be French!

I thought that was hilarious, and I *love* France -- particularly Paris and St. Tropez. (Yes, and Quebec too.)

Billy Connolly is a Scottish comedian who, over the years, has become progressively disenchanted with organized religion. (He doesn't appear to know the difference between 'religion' and a personal relationship with The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.) Anyway, a line of his that almost made me lose control of my bladder was:

' I'm no keen on Christians. How come ye canny find a lion when y'need one'?

Now, I'm a Christian, but I have a sense of humor, and I thought that was hilarious too. 'Course, y'have to be Billy Connolly to make it sound funny!

Methinks we all take ourselves too seriously too often, and we'd have a lot more fun in life if we'd just get over ourselves. YMMV.
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Old 11-06-2015, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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As far as "why" I laid it out pretty well in my post. As far as how I didn't suggest payment. Just learning, knowledge and gratitude would do just fine. And supporting their economic projects over spacy environmentalism, such as the Keystone XL Pipeline.
There was politics on both sides of the border regarding Keystone.. Harper certainly didn't help the situation by publicly excoriating Obama and of course Obama was pandering to lobbyist groups when indeed the pipeline wouldn't have made one iota of difference to climate change - it was entirely a political decision and had nothing to do with everyday Americans or Canadians.

We'll see how Trudeau and Obama get along... They are putting on a good face so far and releasing to the press that they are looking forward to a 'fresh' start and of course regurgitating the 'strength' of Canada/U.S relations but we'll see.

I think Canadians have come to accept that Americans are somewhat ignorant of Canada and just sort of take it for granted.. Canadians aren't as knowledgeable about the U.S as much as generally contended but it is what it is.. You can't force the matter and ultimately I think the relationship will always be amicable though I do think Canada will increasingly distance itself from the U.S.. Perhaps at that point Americans will start to notice because they will feel as though Canada is its own man if you will and not sort of this quasi little brother begging for attention.

I always detect a bit of dissonance from the U.S.. On the one hand it doesn't want the little barking dog looking up and panting for attention because it is pitiful behaviour, yet when said little dog goes away and does its own thing the U.S starts to get peeved the little dog isn't panting and looking up to big brother with admiration and starts asking what is wrong with me, am I losing my influence and god given natural appeal in perpetuity.

One thing I won't miss about Harper for sure was this almost dog like obsession with the U.S... The world is a much bigger place than one country and Harper was almost embarrassing saying things like this.

“My only complaint about the United States — and every Canadian will say this, but it’s just the way it is — is we always like to have more attention in the United States,”

Prime Minister Harper: US Doesn't Pay Enough Attention to Canada

I'm glad I don't have this man speaking for me anymore!

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Old 11-07-2015, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Because Canada is so close to the United States. It may not be a significant country, but.. Due to the proximity it's a little odd that Americans know nothing about Canadians.

Some Americans know nothing about Canada, not most Americans. In all fairness most Canadians live near the US border, get US broadcast and news etc. They cross the border, they know Americans and have lots of access to the US. Most Americans who live in the northern tier of states have the same experience with Canada, they get Canadian broadcast, they watch the same hockey games and even eat Tim Hortons. Many of them could even sing your national anthem from watching so much hockey. Some of them even talk like Canadians. Anyone who lives in Michigan or Minnesota gets a great deal of Canadian exposure. Someone who lives in Texas does not. Southern Americans do know some about Canada but not as much as our northern brethren. It is simple distance and exposure. Even in the far south most of us know your provinces, know the basics of your government and know something about your culture. Contrary to popular opinion most Americans are educated and know something about the wider world, especially our next door neighbors up North. However the media will find every dim witted fella that goes on TV and displays his ignorance in the name of Merica for all the world to see. After all that is what people want to see right?
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Some Americans know nothing about Canada, not most Americans. In all fairness most Canadians live near the US border, get US broadcast and news etc. They cross the border, they know Americans and have lots of access to the US. Most Americans who live in the northern tier of states have the same experience with Canada, they get Canadian broadcast, they watch the same hockey games and even eat Tim Hortons. Many of them could even sing your national anthem from watching so much hockey. Some of them even talk like Canadians. Anyone who lives in Michigan or Minnesota gets a great deal of Canadian exposure. Someone who lives in Texas does not. Southern Americans do know some about Canada but not as much as our northern brethren. It is simple distance and exposure. Even in the far south most of us know your provinces, know the basics of your government and know something about your culture. Contrary to popular opinion most Americans are educated and know something about the wider world, especially our next door neighbors up North. However the media will find every dim witted fella that goes on TV and displays his ignorance in the name of Merica for all the world to see. After all that is what people want to see right?
Pretty spot on. In my much younger days when I was a "rink rat" who religiously followed the Buffalo Sabres, I could even sing part of "O Canada" en Francaise. Prior to 9/11, it was quite commonplace for people in border cities like Buffalo to cross into Canada just to go to dinner or go for a Sunday drive. Of course, Canadians still come to the US to shop, although the recent decline of the Canadian dollar has limited that somewhat.
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:28 AM
 
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Pretty spot on. In my much younger days when I was a "rink rat" who religiously followed the Buffalo Sabres, I could even sing part of "O Canada" en Francaise. Prior to 9/11, it was quite commonplace for people in border cities like Buffalo to cross into Canada just to go to dinner or go for a Sunday drive. Of course, Canadians still come to the US to shop, although the recent decline of the Canadian dollar has limited that somewhat.
Aaah gawd! Rink Rat; a kindred soul you must be indeed. I haven't seen or heard that term in over 40 years or more.

All of this acrimonious stuff starts innocently enough with informal teasing as suggested by another poster, but because we share another similarity; that of an inherited and genetic predisposition to displayed nationalistic pride, we quite quickly go into the stratosphere with invective if even the slightest bit of serious is detected from the offender.

We're way more alike than different

I can assure EVERYONE on these boards that were you to petition groups from either country to move to the other on a voluntary basis to experience a year in the life, you'd have no shortage of applicants from either country.

I've known many Americans over the years and still count many of them as friends today. I've received visitors of the most obstinate variety as regards Canadians and all things Canada up to and including a fellow who did multiple tours of duty in Vietnam whose opinion of Canada went exactly like this "How come y'all went from a frontier to a socialist nanny state in less than a hundred years" We had a lot of fun kibbitzing because it was face-to-face, not anonymous peckering away at each other with a keyboard and a couple of thousand miles between us.

He was a very early riser and commenced to being AWOL when the rest of us were clustered around the coffee pot at the kitchen island. He informed us he had taken to arising and immediately going down to the Rec Room and perusing the various Canadian news channels with the observation that he got a more factual analysis of American daily happenings from our news channels than he was used to from the American MSM , "Our news used to be like that, now it's nothing but partisan sniping with us being left to sort out for ourselves the real deal from somewhere in the middle of all that cr*p".

He bristled at having to ship his and his wife's personal firearms across the country to a gunshop in the state to which he was scheduled to re-enter the U.S. with his RV later. He also mentioned with a bit of chagrin that he had never once felt insecure or threatened by his surrounding.

He was completely surprised when chatting with fellow American truckers at major truck stops in Canada, with more than one of them being a veteran of the Iraqi invasion, to be informed "it's different, we can't carry up here and you'll get used to not constantly thinking you need to". His jaw dropped when I took him out to my workshop and unlocked my steel cabinet where I keep all my most expensive measuring devices for my hobby machining and handed him my old Ithica 12 gauge pump gun to tell him with a grin I had owned it for over 50 years and used it as a jack handle more times than it had been fired.

We had great debates over the Patriot Act and I thank my stars he has not mentioned Bill C-51 over the phone once to me, as I quite frankly would have lost a huge bargaining chip over that one.

There are things about both countries to pizz and moan about but the idea of which is subjectively better should not be one of them.
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Do you want to know what a more typical border is like? The Gaza-Israel border. The Syrian or Iraqi border with the Islamic State. Pakistan's border with Israel. Turkey's border with Syria
The U.S. - Mexico border...
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Turlock, CA
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Aaah gawd! Rink Rat; a kindred soul you must be indeed. I haven't seen or heard that term in over 40 years or more.
Hasn't been that long. I remember the Rink Rat trading card/club in the upper deck set back in the early 90s.

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He was a very early riser and commenced to being AWOL when the rest of us were clustered around the coffee pot at the kitchen island. He informed us he had taken to arising and immediately going down to the Rec Room and perusing the various Canadian news channels with the observation that he got a more factual analysis of American daily happenings from our news channels than he was used to from the American MSM , "Our news used to be like that, now it's nothing but partisan sniping with us being left to sort out for ourselves the real deal from somewhere in the middle of all that cr*p".
This one hits home. Recently saw some coverage on the CBC prior to the election that really demonstrated it. The debates were actual debates, not a reporter with a political agenda trying to work in a "gotcha!" question every chance they got.

There isn't any reasonable coverage in the States anymore, it's either hardcore left or right slant, with no middle ground.



Regarding the original post, I can't imagine that it would be too frustrating if you sit down and think about it. Canada's population is small. It's similar to someone in Connecticut being upset that Californians don't know much about their state level politics.
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Old 11-10-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I was first introduced to Canadian history and geography in elementary school, particularly in third and sixth grades if I recall. As a youngster, I was a lot more intrigued by Canadian geography and geology than modern history and politics though (I can't explain why except for the fact that I love geology) with near constant fascination throughout high school and early college about the Canadian shield and its ancient rocks. I don't think there were many classmates that shared the same interests. But yes, to the O.P's point, I know of many people who have absolutely no idea about Canada and a great many more who have never visited it. They probably get turned off by a certain "sameness" to the US (which is debatable and as you know can only be partly true).
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