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Old 10-20-2015, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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During the 10 years that Canada had a conservative government what policies were implemented that would be conservative?

For example did they make any attempt to change the HC system away from single payer?

Did they cut environmental safeguards?

Did they build up your military?

Pass laws with stricter criminal penalties?

End same sex marriage?

Thanks

Dismantling the system would of caused riots in the streets. What Harper did do was he did to the CBC. Attack finically, by downloading more and more costs to the provinces.

Ottawa


His environmental record is abysmal. Google to your hearts content and see what he did. Here's some.

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015...sumo-wrestler…

Military. No. He promised but never delivered. A billion or more wasted on certain jets etc. What did happen is our role as peacemakers was changed. I've never seen a PM posing so often in military garb etc.

He built more prisons as crime was going down. He tried to mandatory sentences for certain crimes. The Supreme Court slammed it down.

Supreme Court quashes mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes - Politics - CBC News

As for same sex marriage. They grasped onto this, but the outcry was so loud they fixed it.

Thousands of gay marriages performed in Canada may not be legal, Ottawa says: report | National Post

Ending same sex marriage would be a no starter since when you look at the history of same sex marriage in Canada, you will see that the Supreme Court "ruled unanimously that same-sex marriage was not only permitted by the Charter, but in fact flowed from it, and that civil unions would not suffice, "

Pretty hard to undo.

How Canada led the way on same-sex marriage | Toronto Star
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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I think from an American perspective, the Conservative government up here would've been considered economically conservative, but socially moderate (or even, egad, socially liberal on some subjects... they flatly rejected the possibility of ending the legalization of same sex marriage, for example... they came to power after it was already legal across the country. A senior Conservative cabinet minister even came out while in office).

The Liberal party up here tends to be a bit more overtly leftist than the Democratic party. Yes, there are a lot of radicals who are in the Democratic party or who vote Democrat, but when you look at Democrat election platforms, they're pretty centrist, moderate, trying not to alienate less radical voters.
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Question: is a "riding" the same as a district?
Yes.
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Old 10-20-2015, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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What would happen to a Canadian politician or political party that ran on or attempted to end Canadian medicare and implement a market based free enterprise system of health care that existed in the US prior to our ACA?
Any party that tried this would be roundly drummed out of the Lower House in the next election and might not have the 15 members needed to form and opposition party in the Lower House!
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Old 10-20-2015, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Yes, a riding is like an electoral district. Each of the 338 Members of Parliament represents a single riding. Based on the first past the post electoral system. The rule of thumb for ridings is about 100,000 people each, but there are some exceptions to this.
Some Canadian ridings representing the First Nations territories are huge! At least two are larger than the State of Alaska. The Yukon has but one riding. One Riding in Quebec is almost 40% of that Province's area. It would take weeks to ride a horse from one side to another in some Canadian ridings. Others in Van, Toronto or Montreal you could walk across in a leisurely afternoon.

The CBC web site has a color map of who won which riding and the regional split is quite dramatic and quite normal for Canada. All the ridings in the Atlantic Provinces of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI and New Found land & Labrador went Liberal as did the territories , The Liberals also carried the most seats in British Columbia, Ontario, and Quebec. The Conservatives won in Alberta, Sask and Manitoba. In Alberta only 4 ridings went to the Liberals.

The good thing is the polls produced a Majority Government not a hung Lower House or a forced marriage of two parties to get to a majority. Canadian voters put their brains in gear when they vote!
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Old 10-20-2015, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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No they didn't. A Canadian conservative is an American liberal. Healthcare has been always free in Canada and abortion has had no restrictions ever. Full term abortions are done in every Canadian hospital daily without any "government" interference. Homosexuals are free to marry and be who they are. Stephen Harper did not disrupt that.
I think calling a Canadian conservative an American liberal is pushing it a bit. Canada's Conservatives are center-right, the US GOP is right-wing, and then there is the far right which wouldn't gain power in either of our countries.
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Old 10-20-2015, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I think from an American perspective, the Conservative government up here would've been considered economically conservative, but socially moderate (or even, egad, socially liberal on some subjects... they flatly rejected the possibility of ending the legalization of same sex marriage, for example... they came to power after it was already legal across the country. A senior Conservative cabinet minister even came out while in office).

The Liberal party up here tends to be a bit more overtly leftist than the Democratic party. Yes, there are a lot of radicals who are in the Democratic party or who vote Democrat, but when you look at Democrat election platforms, they're pretty centrist, moderate, trying not to alienate less radical voters.
I'm not sure they " flatly rejected the possibility of ending the legalization of same sex marriage " based on thinking they were fine with it. They weren't. They just realized it was almost impossible to undo.

Here's Harper in 2005 before SSM became law. He wanted to PREVENT it by making it law that marriage was only between a man and a woman. Not exactly warm and fuzzy towards gay people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnn5eSnQmxQ


and Rick Mercer, again in 2005 expands on that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRnBlqr7n7s

As for "A senior Conservative cabinet minister even came out while in office". If you are thinking about Baird, he's never actually come out. It's just that everyone knows. If you aren't thinking of Baird, I'm curious as to who you mean.
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Old 10-20-2015, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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I'm not sure they " flatly rejected the possibility of ending the legalization of same sex marriage " based on thinking they were fine with it. They weren't. They just realized it was almost impossible to undo.
Correct. The Supreme Court decision was Reference Re Same-Sex Marriage, [2004] 3 S.C.R. 698, 2004 SCC 79. It's been a while since I have read the SCC decision, but as I recall, it was argued on constitutional grounds. As such, it would take a constitutional amendment to change it. That's a lot different from a simple Parliamentary bill, and very difficult to achieve.
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Old 10-20-2015, 10:27 PM
 
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There were drastic cuts to the environment. The fisheries act which was one of our strongest environmental protection acts was originally passed in our first year of government, 1867. It was replaced with protection only of commercial fisheries not all lakes and rivers and not all fish. There were other weakening of environmental regulations,cuts to science and a more or less banning of government scientists reporting science that did not conform to the government's ideology.

Arts and humanity groups that had progressive goals were targeted with loss of grants and taxation reviews. One local natural history group were told that writing a letter to the MP to protect a field was considered too political and they would lose their non profit status if they wrote another letter. Research facilities were closed and many records destroyed.

They passed laws making sentences longer, required minimum sentences and got rid of sentencing circles, tried to close safe injection centre's make medical Marijuana harder to get and wanted to build more jails even though the need for them was dropping.

There is no political appetite for banning abortions or same sex marriage and some of he more important conservative members are gay. That is one difference between Canada and the States religious views are much less important here even with conservatives.
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Old 10-20-2015, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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They ... got rid of sentencing circles....
Cite, please.

As a lawyer who practices criminal law in a jurisdiction where many First Nations reside, I have not heard that sentencing circles have been abolished. If anybody should know about this, it seems I should. So, I'd like some proof.
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